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Colin Bishop

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An unusual Model!
« on: July 09, 2008, 05:16:15 pm »

Would anyone like to hazard a guess what the model below is used for - and what is the black thing behind the funnel? The second picture is a clue.

Bonus points for identifying the prototype ship and where the photos were taken.

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 05:27:01 pm »

Colin,
Looks like a type 23 Frigate in the RN test tank.

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 05:30:00 pm »

Warm Bob, but not a complete answer - and you knew were I was going which gives you an unfair advantage! Let somebody else see if they can take it further.

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 05:44:23 pm »

The black thing behind the funnel looks like a fan so I would hazard a guess at maybe for evaluating smoke behaviour from the funnel?  Is that a smoke generator in the second picture?

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 05:59:09 pm »

Is she the HMS Lancaster? :-\ Walter
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 06:06:05 pm »

Way off Bunkerbarge! Not a specific ship Walter.

I'll wait to see if we have some more bites before posting some more pics.

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 06:14:49 pm »

HA!! OK Colin  ;D Is it a wind test? Or some sort of stability test?  ::) Not trying to be too vague......Walter
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 06:17:22 pm »


Wind turbulence / stability test.... can the 'the boy stand on the burning deck'?!
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 06:19:45 pm »

Yes, marks for stability testing but how? And what is the black thing lurking at the back? And where does the tube thing fit in? (no it's not for treating constipation!)

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 06:24:28 pm »

Fire fighting foam smothering system or sprinkler system?  I can't make out anything of the black box other than it looks like a fan so testing wind effects on something looks favourite.

Nuclear fallout washing system?
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 06:49:07 pm »

Bunkerbarge,that machine could be a High Expansion Foam machine  :-\ Walter  :o
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 06:57:14 pm »

A whole bunch of those tubes are mounted vertically along the centreline.. so I guess the handle can be turned to raise and lower a ballast weight within the cylinder via the screw thread.  This would allow the centre of gravity to be raised and lowered.. the little weights across the deck allow the CoG to be adjusted fore/aft and across the beam representing the positioning of fixed and portable equipment.  I'd guess the large equipment at the back is a wind machine and the whole rig is to simulate stability for a range of CoG configurations under a variety of wind and sea conditions.
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 07:20:27 pm »

A good and ingenious reply Alastair - maybe I ought to pass the suggestion on but the actual answer is much simpler although equally interesting.

Anyway - here's another clue.

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 07:27:46 pm »

Flood valves?

Let's see how fast this thing sinks with a hole below the waterline leaking X litres per minute?
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 07:28:32 pm »

That's more like it!

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2008, 07:46:41 pm »

Oh cool! I feel that I was looking at the wrong black thing in the photo.  :-\ The other square black thing.....Is it a device that measures the degree of list " probably not the right spelling" as the ship floods? Thanks Walter
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2008, 07:52:09 pm »

Hello,
 The pictures were taken at the Wolfson Unit at Southampton Uni ??
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2008, 08:11:21 pm »

Walter, yes the thing on the back of the funnel is an inclinometer and no, John, it wasn't at Southampton.

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2008, 08:50:01 pm »

Colin,
I have just re-read your pm's.
Now I know what it is but will do the right thing and rule myself out.

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2008, 09:23:33 pm »

Colin,

Was this model used in the investigation into the sinking of any of the ships in the Falklands?
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2008, 09:25:53 pm »


Bob , on the QT, I'll give ya £5 if you tell me the answer so I can look like a smart ask!....
....hang on a minute, this won't work, I'll PM you. 'Mum's the word!'

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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2008, 09:28:02 pm »

What's the size of the thing in the first picture?
Is it one of the items in the model?
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2008, 09:30:39 pm »

the syphon tube looks as though they are set into the hull in watertight compartments to test her capabilities of staying afloat when hull compartments are punctured for what ever reason, and the inclinometer is used to evaluate the rate and degree of list when different compartments are compromised...the little taps allow flooding to the compartment that the syphon tube is attached to?
well it's worth a stab.
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Re: An unusual Model!
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2008, 10:09:45 pm »

Full marks NHP651 - right on the button.

OK, I’m away for a few days so here are the answers:
The pictures were taken at the Britannia Royal Naval College, Dartmouth
The model hull is an RN type 23 frigate about 20 feet (7 metres) long which they put into the tank especially for me!

The model is fitted with the same watertight compartments as the full size ship. Each compartment is fitted with a flooding valve, as shown in the separate picture, and a vent pipe. The purpose of the model is to be able to simulate action damage by flooding specific compartments. Students can then practise counter flooding of other compartments to stabilise the ship. Needless to say, some students like to play around with the model! The technician in charge has a cunning plan to retrieve the model should they succeed in actually sinking it although that has not happened  so far!

This model replaces an earlier model based on the Tribal class frigates which was made entirely of perspex. This enabled the flooding of compartments to be seen from the outside. Unfortunately the glued joins between the flooding tubes and the perspex eventually failed which meant that the compartments leaked. Must have been pretty good while it worked though!

In the same lab they have lots of experimental hulls which they use for various educational purposes including simulation of wave patterns when under way.

The fan thing in the background is in fact an Olympus Gas Turbine originally fitted to a Vulcan bomber but also used in many RN ships.
The College has a lot of interesting models and they will be featured in an article I am preparing for future publication in Model Boats magazine.

Thanks for the interest everyone.

Colin

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