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Ghost in the shell

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Re: What next , Smokers to be floged ?
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2008, 11:02:53 pm »

yet gary, walking normally, I dont get breathless.  

what doesnt help though is all the crap we put in our foods and our atmoshphere from factory fumes to diesel fumes.  here's the odd thing, cars and trucks get annual emmissions tests, do cookers, do gas heaters get checks to see what crap is being shoved out the flue? no!

smoking does harm in confined spaces, (inside cars and buildings) because the toxins dont have anywhere to go so the air gets more and more toxic.  in the outdoors, there are far more important things do deal with in regards to air quality.
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Re: What next , Smokers to be floged ?
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2008, 11:34:02 pm »

Hey ghost..... Got nothing to do with you just being unfit then? O0 O0 O0  ;) ;) ;)

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Re: What next , Smokers to be floged ?
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2008, 12:14:28 am »

lol,
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Re: What next , Smokers to be floged ?
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2008, 12:47:39 am »

I think he has been to close to the cargo of his boats.   :D

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2008, 12:27:36 pm »

May be the time will come, that when your car goes in for a service, they won't be able to do the job because the mechanic is not allowed to work in a smokers car.
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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2008, 12:05:28 am »

Bob I think you just scored a hole in one mate! Given the logic of the present day thinking, I bet there would be absolutely nothing a firm could do about it if an employee found fit to refuse to work on such a vehicle.
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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2008, 12:32:00 am »

I`ve already done something like that sheerline,
I  am a driver and a non smoker I refused to use a vehicle that some one was smoking cigars in beforehand,it was absolutely rank.not a thing they could do about it.
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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2008, 03:51:18 am »

A thought about the post:-

"May be the time will come, that when your car goes in for a service, they won't be able to do the job because the mechanic is not allowed to work in a smokers car."

I think your right on the button there; but surly the issue is breathing in smoke; either directly or indirectly, is there still a health risk when the smoke has dissipated?
On a similar line, do you think in the future there will be a "Health Warning" on Smoked Kippers, Smoked Sausage, Smoked Haddock, Smokey Bacon Crisps - are they another form of passive smoking?  ;D

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2008, 09:23:07 am »

No..No Gary, don't talk it up ... !! Some little twit at Westmonster might be lookin in and decide to stick a pollution tax on kippers and I love kippers.. please don't let them screw that up!! :D
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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2008, 11:44:26 am »

So now the anti-smoking Fascists have had their way, using a perfectly legal substance BTW, the sights are set on Alcohol.
Banning happy hours in pubs and cheap alcohol from supermarkets this is soon to be followed by being overweight.
You might not actually live longer but it will certainly seem like it!!

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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2008, 12:18:29 pm »

So now the anti-smoking Fascists have had their way, using a perfectly legal substance BTW, the sights are set on Alcohol.
Banning happy hours in pubs and cheap alcohol from supermarkets this is soon to be followed by being overweight.
You might not actually live longer but it will certainly seem like it!!

Bob

  I don't know if your comment on banning overweight was tongue in cheek or not, but over here there has already been flags raised to test the waters on taxing (banning) overweight people in one form or another becuase they are seen as an extra burden on the health care system.
  I believe Happy Hours are already a thing of the past in pubs and bars here. I'm not sure if there is a law against it, or just pubs etc. doing the politically correct thing.

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2008, 12:38:21 pm »

No my comments were not tongue in cheek, several NHS Trusts refuse to carry out operations on people who are owerweight, and not just hip and knee replacements.

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2008, 01:53:55 pm »

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is there still a health risk when the smoke has dissipated?
Obviously no particles in the atmosphere, but, years ago, just after I started work, the gang I was with was having its Carrier (5 tonner, van at the back, bus at the front) given the Bamber Bridge Treatment.  Basically a re-paint in fetching dark green.  When it came back, I realised that the inside of the cab was supposed to be white, not a splodgy brown.  That was 1960/61.
I have no idea if nicotine tar is harmful if applied externally.
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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2008, 04:47:53 pm »

and those who are underweight?

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2008, 07:15:42 pm »



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and those who are underweight?

They have to be careful when walking over grids. {-) {-)

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2008, 09:19:54 pm »

A while ago, when Mrs Jacket Mk1 decided to visit her parents in the USA, my Dad and I decided to redecorate our lounge. I have to confess to being a user of the evil weed at the time (much to my parents' disapproval). Dad set to with sugar soap and sponge and quickly drew my attention to the patch of painted wall which he had just cleaned of fag residue...........it was SCARY!
"That's it!" I said "I'm packing it in!" said I
"Smoking?" said Dad, hopefully.........
"Nah, yer berk - decorating".
I relented 20 years later.

Latterly I had to clean Craig Talbot's stock and equipment with kitchen roll and meths to get rid of the tar before I could use it. Six weeks later my friend Liam died of the same thing (lung cancer) and I had to buy more meths and kitchen roll to clean off his stuff. Two blokes who must have thought it would never happen to them; it did for Mum, too.

IMHO smoking stinks.............but suit yourself. It won't happen to you, will it?

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2008, 09:40:59 pm »

I've never had a fag in my life, prefer other vices! But my Dad died of lung cancer and it wasn't nice at all.

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2008, 09:43:05 pm »

Right on Dave, tell it like it is, and they still wont believe it can happen to them. I know, my son is one of them. Pushes me around in my wheelchair but carries on smoking just the same. O0
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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2008, 06:17:27 am »

At the age of 14 I went on a school trip to Paris. We all experimented with "Disque Bleu" or it may have been "Gallouise". Never touched cigarettes again!

Maybe the experience should be compulsory?

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P.S. : The memory didn't put me off coming to live here!
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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2008, 11:22:40 am »

Thought I would add, I gave up smoking for seven years then had a stroke! only a mild one but I would not recommend that to any one it took a long time to recover and still there are some things I know are not quite right, Did a strange thing and started smoking again (don't ask)
Then finally the time came and I gave up smoking again!  that was three years ago! all going well until at work and through stress I had a heart attack.
I would say only a small one but as my specialist says a heart attack IS A HEART ATTACK!
Why am I driveling on like this ? well I find out that yes I am better off NOT smoking but the damage I have done to my one and only body is allmost perminant!
Your body gets rid of nicotine, the smell and the little bits of the dreaded weed that get into your blood but it cant repair the lungs and other organs it damages.
In your mind you feel better and yes you are in some ways your joints move easier and generally (I) have been more on the healthy side of life and I like it.
I don't look down on smokers as I am not one of the 'reformed smoker' I was one and yes I know that the addiction is very hard to stop so I congratulate any one that stops.
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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2008, 12:08:29 pm »

.................and I've not heard yet of anyone being fined for sucking a mint humbug while driving (although it'll probably happen one day).

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2008, 05:39:12 pm »

Sucking the humbug, no problem.  Getting hold of it and transferring from bag to mouth while in charge of the vehicle, probably considered as worthy of transportation to the colonies.
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« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2008, 06:10:47 pm »

hands up those who have drunk a soda or consumed candy whilst at the wheel?
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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2008, 12:00:57 am »

So I admit I have taken part in some dangerous driving techniques!
1. turned on the radio whilst driving
2. returned radio 'ditto'
3. told children to shut up whilst driving
4. looked at the sexy woman walking down the road...... whilst driving
5. thought about the above
5a, told wife I WAS concentrating on driving but missed turning due to children in the back asking are we there yet.
6. more of the same.
Are they all and I suspect that they are infringements within the driving laws.

Oh and as a foot note I asked a copper Policeman why he was driving and using his mobile as he turned into a carpark only using one hand on the steering wheel, his reply was "I AM SPECIALLY TRAINED" dogh why did I not think of that one. (a standard patrol vehicle with a driver that put on a chequer banded hat). ??

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Re: What next , Smokers to be flogged ?
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2008, 08:21:32 am »

So, if carried to its ultimate logical conclusion, doing anything in a moving vehicle which detracts from actually controlling that vehicle could be construed as 'not in full control'. For instance, opening the sunroof or winding down the widow, adjusting the seat, operating heat and ventilation controls or touching anything to do with the radio, glancing at unneccesary instruments ie: outside air temp, fuel economy, milage trip etc or switching on interior light for some reason or another..... I expect there are a load of other examples and some would obviously be impossible to police but you can see how daft it could really get.
Smoking whilst driving is something all smokers have done ..and still do and it is obviously one of the most dangerous pastimes a driver can indulge in as many people have died because of it. How many of us remember the burning fag ember falling off the end, dropping on the seat between ones legs and the ensuing panic and weaving of the vehicle as we tried to get at it.
In this day and age of congested roads and high speed, this dangerous habit should be consigned to the dustbin and be prosecutable with the full weight of the law along with mobile phones.
Some changes made to the law have been good but typically of this country they go too far in the extreme to the point common sense flies out the window. I remember the recent case of the truck driver, fined for using a switched off mobile phone which he had been seen placing on the dashboard because it was uncomfortable in his pocket.The law stated he had been using the phone whilst driving just because he handled it. Now thats daft and to me it smacks of money gathering and a waste of peoples time and effort... it has nothing to do with road safety or the correct application of a sensible law.l
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