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[bigfella]

Some on this thread are saying that as long as you know the risks that smoking potentially has then so be it. However the majority of the public assume that the authorities who state that smoking is a health hazard are just part of an anti smoking conspiracy and so must be false. The tobacco companies refuse to admit that the chemicals in their product are harmfull (it is so easy to ignore when profits come into it) I have said it before that the analysis of the chemical content of smoke inhaled by tobacco products should be on the packet for all to see and not just some quickly forgotten slogan or gruesome picture. Let the smoker be able to make his/her own choice wether to put these chemicals into their lungs. Also as discussed in this thread is that some people smoke all their lives without getting lung cancer, well it is not only the lungs that are affected by the smoke inhaled there are things like vascular disease and heart problems and other such things. I don't begrudge anyone the right to light up I just wish there was a little more honesty with the government and the tobacco industry to admit that their product is addictive and the chemicals that the smoke contains. Like all addictive things it seams hard for the addicted to see the harm in the pleasure.

Said my piece and probably alienated half the forum but it is just my oppinion.

Regards David

Added: There is one thing that really gets my goat about smokers (only one I hear) that is the flicking of the butt on the ground. Now I can not understand the thinking of this. These flickers seam to think that the cigarette butt is not litter. They would probably be the first in the crowd to condemn some youth dropping a McDonald's wrapper on the ground.

Now I have alienated the other half of the forum.

[catengineman]

Hi Bigfells,

 Noooo you have not alienated me and I though I am an ex-smoker (oh I don't eat mucky Di's either)

I agree with your post but

I just wish there was a little more honesty with the government and the tobacco industry to admit that their product is addictive

Is it not true that "WE" can not smoke in the work place --- Yet they can still smoke in the houses of Parliament?
I may have my facts wrong but I am sure I heard this when the smoking ban was being introduced

R,

[sweeper]

Is it not true that "WE" can not smoke in the work place --- Yet they can still smoke in the houses of Parliament? 

Surely this is just the classic example of the old saying "Don't do what I do, do what I say".
You can bet your last penny on one fact, they'll never implement any legislation that affects their cosy little world.

[bigfella]

I just wish there was a little more honesty with the government and the tobacco industry to admit that their product is addictive

Is it not true that "WE" can not smoke in the work place --- Yet they can still smoke in the houses of Parliament?
I may have my facts wrong but I am sure I heard this when the smoking ban was being introduced

I am unsure about the UK but here in Australia anyone caught smoking in, or even now around, a government building of any sort will be shot on site . No really it is a big fine and any public building even shopping centers and their entrances are policed.

Regards David

[Colin Bishop]

What happens if they are just standing there smouldering? 

[GaryM]

I believe that hotels are exempt from the non smoking laws, and that there are designated areas within the building for smokers.
One rule for one?

regards
Gary

[DickyD]

The last two hotels I stayed at had a total smoking ban Gary.

[funtimefrankie]

Is it not true that "WE" can not smoke in the work place --- Yet they can still smoke in the houses of Parliament?
I may have my facts wrong but I am sure I heard this when the smoking ban was being introduced

It's a Daily Mail type red herring, although technically the Houses of Parliament are exempt from the smoking ban it is in fact banned in there.
As for hotels, I think it is allowed in certain designated bed rooms but not public places. I'm told the same goes for prisons where it is allowed in cells.
Perhaps someone who works in prison and/or hotels can tell us

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/article2007242.ece

[Colin H]

Sorry FTF,
But according to Ken Clarke MP (cigar smoker) he could smoke in the House as there cannot be an official ban he as just decided not to. Don't know about any other MP's.

Just a thought but if smoking in the work place is banned and it surely is. How does a smoker go on in a public park, the park keeper works there or on the Derbyshire moors National Park rangers work there.

Colin H. smoker.

[sheerline]

If thats the case Colin, imagine smoking whilst standing in the middle of a farmers field and the farmer telling you you can't do it as it's his workplace and therefore against the law....logical or what? You can now see how it works, pass one small regulation and it can be expanded to ludicrous heights and even argued in a court of law, I'll bet! Carried further, I bet some legal minded blighter could argue that you couldn't smoke anywhere out in the open, even in the middle of an empty road since it could be considered the workplace of various drivers, roadmenders, sweepers etc.  Is it me going mad or are the Brits loosing their freedom bit by bit and being ruled by a nit picking bunch of yoghurt sipping bean counters. 

[Ghost in the shell]

If thats the case Colin, imagine smoking whilst standing in the middle of a farmers field and the farmer telling you you can't do it as it's his workplace and therefore against the law....logical or what? You can now see how it works, pass one small regulation and it can be expanded to ludicrous heights and even argued in a court of law, I'll bet! Carried further, I bet some legal minded blighter could argue that you couldn't smoke anywhere out in the open, even in the middle of an empty road since it could be considered the workplace of various drivers, roadmenders, sweepers etc.  Is it me going mad or are the Brits loosing their freedom bit by bit and being ruled by a nit picking bunch of yoghurt sipping bean counters. 

you try tell the farmer that he couldnt smoke in his tractor or in his field, when he 1/ owns the tractor, 2/ owns the land, and I bet the answer you get won't be repeatable on here!

[catengineman]

3, Has a BIG gun
4, Got a bigger dog to go with 3

R,

[funtimefrankie]

Sorry FTF,
But according to Ken Clarke MP (cigar smoker) he could smoke in the House as there cannot be an official ban he as just decided not to. Don't know about any other MP's.

Just a thought but if smoking in the work place is banned and it surely is. How does a smoker go on in a public park, the park keeper works there or on the Derbyshire moors National Park rangers work there.

Colin H. smoker.

1. that's Tories for you....
2.There aren't many parks that are inside that is where the smoking ban applies.

"On July 1st 2007, England introduced a new law to make virtually all enclosed public places and workplaces in England smokefree. A smokefree England ensures a healthier environment, so everyone can socialise, relax, travel, shop and work free from secondhand smoke."
http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk/

Let's hope the info on Mayhem about model boats is more accurate that that about the smoking ban 

ps from the Guardian website.
"And while the Houses of Parliament are technically exempt from the new law, both the Commons and the Lords have agreed to make all enclosed parts of the Palace of Westminster smoke-free from tomorrow."

[Colin H]

FTF,

Ken Clarke only pointed out the truth which after research you found to be correct and lets be right its the labour party that are passing all the stupid rules and regulations whilst ignoring major issue's like gun and knife crime etc etc etc.

I personally don't mind not smoking in enclosed public spaces as I know it can be a pain to others. But there are far more important things that need urgent attention and they are being totally ignored by politicians of all colours.

Again a personal opinion but a small tactical nuke on the palace of Westminster would not go amiss.

To the watchers ITS A JOKE honest

Colin H. (I despise all politicians)