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alan colson

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halloween horrors
« on: October 31, 2008, 08:53:00 PM »

Have just returned home from helping my daughter and son in law to move. The front door of our house was covered in silly string, the side windows had been sprayed with paint and whilst I was outside the house with my daughter cleaning up a group of about seven all dressed up started throwing something at a neighbours house (she is in her 80's and lives on her own) and hit the windows.
THIS IS NOT TRICK OR TREAT it is plain vandalism, IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. What is your opinion of this stupid American tradition?
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2008, 09:05:22 PM »

As an American and one who has been out on many a halloween trip , it is not the tradition that is at fault but the minority of Idiots who ruin it for others.. Much like Fireworks night A British Traddition !!
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2008, 12:16:51 AM »

i just let the doberman out in the front yard on helloween <*< <*< >>:-(
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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2008, 09:21:18 AM »

It's a stupid American tradition and should stay there. We have Bonfire night.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2008, 09:29:51 AM »

It is not a stupid American Tradition, it is that just STUPID MINORITIES have made it appear that way , as I said before just the same as STUPID MINORITES have made Fireworks night (and nights well the event) a night of hell for a lot of people and animals more so than halloween.
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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2008, 09:37:53 AM »

I certainly agree that minorities make things a whole lot worse for everyone whether Bonfire Night or Halloween but I do object to a constant stream of people knocking on the door when I'm in the middle of something else. It's just as bad as those phone call adverts from India which you don't seem to be able to stop despite signing up to the "No Cold Calling" registers.

I don't mind what people get up to for their own amusement (within limits!) but I don't think that should include disturbing others. Halloweeen in the UK is just something that the retail trade has imported and hyped to make money over here. There is no tradition of it in the UK.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2008, 09:50:13 AM »

fair comment..
Around here it is generally excepted by the sensible that you only go to houses that have Pumpkins lit up outside.  And some of those pumpkins have been carved like a piece of art , not like my triangles for ears, nose, eyes..

As regards the retail , surprised we don't have happy Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc cards available.  ummm I might market that.. :}

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2008, 09:51:06 AM »

Haloween is very big in France. However, not "Trick or Treat" around here. But I did hear of a French town where the police escorted the kids doing "T or T" down the street to prevent abuse!!!!!

Shops, restaurants and public places are decorated with Haloween acoutrements and flowers.

The French mark "All Souls" and "All Saints" as a significant occassion to remember departed family and friends. There are many family gatherings; family meals and visits to graveyards to place chrysanthemums on memorials and graves.

Chrysanths. are the "funeral flower" here and the shops and supemarkets have a huge abundance of them at this time of year. By contrast arum lilies (associated with death and the church in the UK) is widely grown in gardens, both white and coloured varieties. I inherited some in my garden and they flower profusely after being turned to mush by winter frosts.

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2008, 09:52:31 AM »

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Around here it is generally excepted by the sensible that you only go to houses that have Pumpkins lit up outside.

I've no problem with that.
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2008, 10:55:34 AM »

Confucsious, he once say "it not gun that kill people, it the iriot that hold gun" .....



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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2008, 11:08:41 AM »

It's a stupid American tradition and should stay there. We have Bonfire night.

For the record it is a British tradition, more usually celebrated in Scotland, that was taken to the states by early settlers. The lamps were originally turnips. The settlers used pumpkins as they were more readily available than turnips.

The Trick or Treat originally meant that the child would ask the house holder a riddle or perform a song/dance/poem in return for a small gift, usually fruit.

As usual the roots and meanings of these traditions have become lost and in some cases corrupted and that goes for bonfire night. Weve had noisy fireworks here for the last two weeks  <*<

Everybody should stay at home these long winter nights and build model boats  :-) :-) :-)

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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2008, 11:26:18 AM »

I was going to take the wireless doorbell push off, but I forgot. Anyway, there wasn't one group of trick or treaters around this year. Irrespective of where the 'tradition' started, trick or treat is one we could happily do without.

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2008, 12:37:36 PM »

My wife is Scottish (Bless her) and we have just had a discussion on this subject.
In Scotland it was was seen as a "big night", where householders would also participate with Ducking for Apples, cakes made with Salt, Pepper and of course sugar.
Was seen as good fun for the neighbourhood.
Now its just knock on the door and expect a gift.
We did put up a lighted mask and stocked up with lots of ready made bags of "goodies".
We do seem to have lost something though.
I have just been informed that it ISNT an American Tradition, but an Irish one.
The Legend is that The Devil banished a soul to walk the earth with no company and all he had was a little lantern and the only time he could aproach people to beg for food was on this night, hence a "punishment" for his food.

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2008, 12:48:51 PM »

I found out while seeing you Bob yesterday,as you know,while i was admiring his boats and collection of parts,and coffee,that some idiot threw an egg on the windscreen of my lorry'went to clear with washer and now cant see diddly squat.
At least part of breakfast for monday is sorted
Mark
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2008, 12:50:07 PM »

Down here in Andalucia they celebrate "All Saints" night by family visits to the cemetary where they spend hours eating and drinking by the graves of departed loved ones.

No trick or treat here..
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2008, 01:17:55 PM »

I have just been reading with interest all the replies to this post that I started last night. I will now add to my original statement. I could cope with the odd young child knocking at the door for trick or treat and have in the past had sweets by the front door to give to kids. This year it was pure vadalism by older youths dressed up in costumes. After I made the original posting myself and the family sat down for a take away meal having been so busy with the move earlier. After this my daughter had to go out to pick up her 6 month old son from baby sitters, she called me outside to show me that the van we had hired (which by the way had a 500 excess on it), my car and a neighbours caravan had all been sprayed with something red, we could hear but not see these youngsters in the darkness of the recreation ground close by, they made a great noise whilst we cleared up the mess, the police were called, I think they spoke to the neighbours about their caravan and then went to speak to the young idiots causing the trouble and informed us that we had to call them again should we have any more trouble. This morning we found another area of the garden fence sprayed with the paint.
If I find out who did the actual damage they will wish they hadn't done it.
Alan
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2008, 01:40:17 PM »

This thread is going to another way of thinking,halloween horrors to the way people use a festivity,as a excuse to wreck/abuse someone elses property.
I feel sorry for you Alan,as you have suffered from the mentality retarted things that roam our streets.
I have been a victim myself (car done over 3 times,front garden stolen twice)
Mark





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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2008, 02:13:12 PM »

Before we were married my wife had a ground floor flat, Halloween she would go and stay with her parents.
I think the word was harassed, not Halloween.

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2008, 02:25:06 PM »

 well to top this our neighbour 2 doors down has ... or should i say  had..... a lovely 18 month old swift challenger caravan, the mindless morons last weeknd thought it was funny to throw fireworks in the street, they decided to  light a firework and trow it under his caravan parked on his driveway outside his house...it was 2.30 am

 he was woken  several minutes later to sounds of crackling..... he looked out the window and saw his caravan ablaze, the flames were 2 feet high,  by the time he got to his front door the flames were up to roof height on the van, within 3 minutes the only thing visible was the deformed alko chassic, the van was ash......it went up in 3 minutes.....be warned caravanners, the new 'composite vans'  with GRP panels and one peice roof and simailr burn very very fast.....not like the older aluminium skinned vans....

scary to see the van go up so damm quick, the black smoke was unreal, and the ferocity of the fire was so intense his  mitsubushi shogan also parked on the drive literally melted,- its a write off too-  every window on the front of his house cracked due to the heat... the guttering,the UPVC front door  the fascias and soffits are also history, the fire has done over 100k of damage, and this is due to kids thinking fireworks and holleween is fun  and inflicting misery is also fun,

now i am not a  total kill joy and my  kids carved a pumkin, stuck it in the window so other know we are happy to participate in trick or treat,- we dished out the sweets to those who called on us.... but  scaring the elderly and  'egging' houses  because no one comes to the door is just unecessary.....

 its just a damm shame a few morons spoil it for the masses....... fireworks should be used in organised dispalys only and not sold to any tom dick or harry, - the retailers are to blame here too.....

and i hear on the radio some stores banned the selling of eggs and flour prior to halloween.....

how sad is it that a few spoil it for everyone else ...

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2008, 02:31:11 PM »

That's a pretty awful story Guy.

Shops around here banned sales of flour and eggs to kids as well.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2008, 02:31:41 PM »

Up here on Skye the kids were great always had a joke readyfor the occupants that I know because before they got there treat they had to tell a joke or something and all the kids had something prepared whether a joke or something silly ,one older idiot did say he would egg the house then he noticed the air rifle by the door and changed his mind lol but for the most part it was young kiddies of primary age that appeared about 60 or so and the thought that went into some of the costumes was great
Its a tradition up here that is well liked both by kids and adults alike and most houses  participate  but not so keen on the "trick or Treating" that has arrrived on our shores but  prefered the Penny for the Guy of when I was younger a few years back and not that far back I may hasten to add.
 Dont let the minority spoil a fun night out for all as we had participated in years gone by
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2008, 05:16:56 PM »

wow you guys on the other side of the pond are grumpy
when do you celabrate old farts day  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2008, 05:36:22 PM »

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when do you celabrate old farts day

Every Morning!! 8)

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2008, 05:43:15 PM »

brilliant  :-))
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2008, 07:59:56 PM »

It would seem that bigford has not been a victim of problems like mine or Guy Bagleys neighbour, I also have a caravan parked on the front of the house so when that goes up in flames he will be the first member of mayhem to put his hand in his pocket to help me out
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