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bigford

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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2008, 10:17:28 PM »

my point was about trick or treating not vandalism :police:
nobodys properity should be messed with. guy i missed your post about the camper
burning  <:( i was talking about the grumpy guys bitching about kids trick or treating
you see we in the states LOVE holloween
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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2008, 10:37:51 PM »

I agree with Colin Bishop, Halloween is a stupid American practice which has no relevance to many of us, particularly here in Australia  >>:-(. My understanding is it is a tradition to celebrate the end of Summer, and the start of the dark days of winter, and as us Antipodeans are just entering Summer, it is all a bit pointless. As was mentioned in other posts, it has been seized upon by retailers, rather like Valentine's day, which is also another excuse to boost sales. Fortunately, we have not had any acts of vandalism associated with Halloween in our area, but I believe they have occurred elsewhere. If the Americans love Halloween, then that's fine, let them enjoy it, but I refuse to be any part of it. If that makes me a grumpy old fart, then so be it, but I have plenty of company, at least, in this country.

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bigfella

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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2008, 11:02:28 PM »

I'll second that Peter. My niece and nephew when they were little were so influenced by US TV that they kept on at their mother for all the Halloween stuff. The compromise was to hold a Halloween party with costumes but no going door to door. I really think that although it may be fun for the kids as they may get some sweets, it is no fun for households being almost threatened if you don't give them something, Extortion some might say. Another thing to consider in this day and age are perverts and loonies who might lace sweets with something.

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bigford

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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2008, 11:53:36 PM »

a bit of a good read about halloween
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2008, 04:43:43 AM »

... Halloween is a stupid American practice ...

1/ As previously mentioned, 'Halloween' is an Irish / Scottish tradition

2/ Having moved from Great Britain to the USA, I have experienced both sides of the coin.
The children (from 5 to 15 years of age) that knocked on the door here last night were courteous and polite.. and said "thank you" when they were given sweets AND wished me a "Good evening" as they dissapeared in to the night.

The bad behaviour appears (yet again) to be a British tradition.
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wideawake

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« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2008, 09:13:51 AM »

Actually AFAIK Hallowe'en (note apostrophe) is an abbreviation for All Hallows Even(ing) ie the evening before All Hallows Day.  The two days, otherwise often known as All Souls day and All Saints day are a Christian tradition, overlaid, as many other Christian celebration days are, on a pre-Christian celebration, in this case Samhain.   What has been imported from the US is, as Colin says, the excessive commercialisation and sometimes near thuggish behaviour now associated with the 31st October.

When I was a lad we celebrated Hallowe'en but with home-generated entertainment.   Sometimes other children joined us and AFAIR we might have dressed up in sheets and run around the village but mainly we made swede lanterns (note NOT pumpkins as we'd barely heard of such a vegetable!) and played duck-apple, with water splashing all over the place and causing chaos in the kitchen!

Ah the good old days  :-)

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Re: halloween horrors
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2008, 09:16:17 AM »

bigfella
My original point was that I would give sweets or accept a trick, but the problems started whilst I was out of the house. The family couldn't offer the treat because we were not at home but the idiots still left us with the s**t which included spray paint which is totally unreasonable in any circumstances.
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The long Build

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« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2008, 09:21:07 AM »

What has been imported from the US is, as Colin says, the excessive commercialisation and sometimes near thuggish behaviour now associated with the 31st October.



Commercialisation yes , Thuggish behaviour NO
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bigfella

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« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2008, 09:24:51 AM »

bigfella
My original point was that I would give sweets or accept a trick, but the problems started whilst I was out of the house. The family couldn't offer the treat because we were not at home but the idiots still left us with the s**t which included spray paint which is totally unreasonable in any circumstances.
Alan

And being spray painted is your "Trick" for not being there for a "Treat". Who knows they could have thought you were trying to avoid them.
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Reade Models

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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2008, 10:02:38 AM »

What I'd like to know is where and how this 'trick or treat' thing originated, and why has it suddenly migrated to the UK?  It's certainly not welcome here as far as I'm concerned.

Don't get me wrong, I like kids, but I don't think I could eat a whole one. %) %)

We've have unsupervised four and five year olds knocking on doors all over the neighbourhood.  Pretty safe here where I live as far as I can tell, but could have tragic outcomes if they happened to knock on the door of some unregistered paedophile...

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wideawake

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« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2008, 10:12:01 AM »

What has been imported from the US is, as Colin says, the excessive commercialisation and sometimes near thuggish behaviour now associated with the 31st October.



Commercialisation yes , Thuggish behaviour NO

In  fairness to me - I did say NEAR thuggish!  I think part of the problem is that what might have started as supervised groups of small children having a bit of fun with people they knew - neighbours, friends of the family etc. - has now become an excuse for older children to indulge in what many of us see as unacceptable forms of behaviour akin to bullying.

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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2008, 03:10:18 PM »

Well in the Detroit area, they have finally gotten the the devil's night tradition of arson in Detroit down to only 65 fires of suspicious origin this year. In years past it was above 150. Now this doesn't include the normal fires in a large city. For years there were travel agencies that would book trips for the week from England, Europe and Japan which was by far the largest group coming over here to participate if what was called a Fire Buffs Heavenly nights in Hell, with action round the clock non stop for days.
They had buses, vans and radio scanners for the people use. Some even where chartering airplanes for night flights over the city. Some said it looked like footage of the aftermath of the night bombing raids on London in WWII. They would have the adverts in the Fire Buff magazines and one national general magazine called firehouse. They had the fire companies, staged and would take fresh crews to rotate if they couldn't get back for a break. There is a book written on the subject  I used to have the scanners and shortwave radios pre computer and listened to them there were times that the dispatch would have  so many waiting fires that they stared to send out crews in the refuse tricks filled with water type fire extinguishers and any other city vehicle that would roll to put out trash fires,dumpster fires.

Then they figured they could adjust the number of fires by calling all but the major fires trash dumpster fires. When they were called on it one answer was well the vacant trash filled house is just like a dumpster!

The last couple of years the number of kids coming around and through my neighbor in an small out lying town has been almost zero. With the food and candy tampering, they recommend taking the candy to your local area that run metal detectors over it looking for razor blades and straight pins.

I can't forget the bad acting parents walking around with the little kids, asking for a beer for him and a couple were stumbling drunk. I called the police one year because the child wasn't over 5 trying to deal with daddy.

They had over 3,500 volunteers out this years from the Thursday before to the Sunday night after. dawn to dusk.

I quit years ago giving candy and decorating the house, I use to do FX and build props, we now put the car and truck in behind the 6 foot stockade fence and its lite up like a floating Chinese restaurant.

I will say that we have had more vandalism done on just any night during the year.

Not being a stick and ball sports person, I could never understand the fights in your matches or Europe's . Or for that matter the need for people to destroy anything in the area if the team wins. You probably remember the picture of the brain dead guy standing on the police car after some team won something years ago in Detroit.

It goes to the whole culture of bad acting people and attitude the TV movies and internet foster on us.
From the US's remakes of bad British reality shows, to the Americanizing of such classics, as life on mars, and so many others.
Then you add the with out a clue people bring kids into the word that think they can look out for them selves.

And I speak from 34 years in the Detroit school system as non instructional personal, as I was a Stationary Engineer/facilities manger. And have seen it all and then some. 

They followed Alice down the rabbit hole! You wait, we have some regional holidays that the confectioners thought up years ago.  Like sweetest day in September since there was no day to push candy This is in addition to the dreaded day in Feb:D

In the US Halloween is now a multi billion dollar sales time, but mostly for adults, parties and trying to outdo the neighbors in decorating the house and yard. And not for the kids.

So lets all move on and prepare for the next sales extravaganza! %% Christmas which they have started pushing in September around Here  :'(

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OMK

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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2008, 03:16:02 PM »

My heart goes out to the poor dear mentioned in Alan Colson's post, in her eighties, being bombarded with all that abuse from a bunch of loonies.
If she were my neighbour she would no longer have to live in fear because I'd whack the living daylights out of any twonk giving her a hard time.... then she could invite me in for a slice o' cake and a nice cuppa rosy-lee and we'd have a dilly of a discussion on why loads of folk still insist on omitting the apostrophe in Hallowe'en.

But it's okay for you lot - all that trick-or-treating malarkey has gone away for another year. Try living round these parts when the carnival is here. A typical Saturday night carnival fiasco makes treat or treat look positively angelic.
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wideawake

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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2008, 05:15:37 PM »

But it's okay for you lot - all that trick-or-treating malarkey has gone away for another year. Try living round these parts when the carnival is here. A typical Saturday night carnival fiasco makes treat or treat look positively angelic.

How was Bridgwater this year?

Guy
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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2008, 05:17:02 PM »

You've hit the target with that one PMK.
Particularly after the murder of the elderly lady a few years back.
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« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2008, 05:31:10 PM »

Hey sweeper...what do you sweep? (nosey git, ain't I?)

Rich
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OMK

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« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2008, 07:41:51 PM »

Bridgwater, you might know, is still pretty much as how the BMA describe the place. Luckily for I, I was conceived a few miles out of town. That's why I don't look like my neighbours.

In a similiar vein, the carnival has turned into a money-spinning two-and-a-half hours of utter ennui -- especially if you ever find yourself not wanting to see it for the umpteenth time and you're standing there with some floozie who's not seen it before, and loads and loads of collection tins being shoved in your face, freezing yer wedding tackle off.... Whereas, Thanksgiving, you'll no doubt be chuffed to hear, is still alive and well.

That's pretty much how Bridgwater was next year and all.
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