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Jimmy James

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British Submarines ???
« on: November 10, 2008, 01:20:30 PM »

I'm getting a bit fed-up only seeing US, Jap,  Russian and German submarine model's all over the place!!!! doesn't any one build any British sub's, Things like the "B, & E-Class" WW!  or the K class between the war's ..or the "L, S ,T, U, or A, Classes WW2 or even the x craft or the Post war O & P classes As an Ex submariner who served T's and A's in the 50's and 60's, today I think its sad that most people don't even know they existed or that at one time the RN had more boats than almost all th others combined and that Britain is still in the forefront of submarine design and technology.
Sorry about that almost had to lift safetys or blow like an old boiler !!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2008, 01:26:37 PM »

David Brown won awards for these at the ME Exhibition at Ascot.

HM submarines Storm, Salmon and Upholder.

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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2008, 03:13:45 PM »

WW2 S & U class used to be sold by Dave Metcalf and I think Models by Design now have them for sale. There is the Biber , X-Craft , Porpoise class ( post WW2 ) as well. I have not seen a kit of any K class steam subs ( nor of the M1 gun version , M2 or M3 : mine layer and aircraft carrier sub I think ).
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2008, 06:38:48 PM »

If you look online, then you could be forgiven for thinking that modellers are only interested in the foreign built stuff, but it really isn't the case when you visit shows, and actually take a close look at what submarine modellers build in this country.

I have seen lots of models of Hollands, X-craft (kits available of three different versions), chariots, E-class, 0-class, U-class, S-class, T-class, Vanguard, Trafalgar(at least three kits of those), c-class, and some scratchbuilt models of earlier craft like K-class, R-class even a Welman midget sub.

K-class and M-class are very specialised. Kit manufacturers want a product which will shift a reasonable volume, I don't think either of those would do so. The fullsize craft hardly distinguished themselves did they? Wound up killing more of our own sailors than any enemy.

Another problem with a lot of British craft, especially earlier pre WWII craft, is the difficulty of obtaining plans, photographs and other information. In contrast a lot of Foreign boats are extremely well documented.

I also think it's fair to say, that by the end of WWII the Germans were a long way ahead of us when it came to submarine design, and we, alongside the U.S and the Russians borrowed this technology heavily after the war, especially the developments in hydrodynamics.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 11:49:32 AM »

Thanks Gang will have to do my homework a bit better. I have seen a few scratch built British boats but very few kits and they are mainly Nuclear job's like the Trafalgar class
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 11:55:36 AM »

Colin
 Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the centre boat HMS Grafton Captured U - boat WW2???
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 05:37:47 PM »

As Subculture says there are some out there and I do know of a model of the new Astute that is currently under construction in Australia. I have recently acquired a 6ft scratch built model of K-4 that is about to be re-fettled after the shelf it was on collapsed causing some damage. This will sit nicely with my Darnell 'S' class (hulls still available as stated) and my 2 Ron Perrot Resolutions. A new version of Resolution should be available from Sub-Tech by the end of the year.

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 05:42:29 PM »

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 Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the centre boat HMS Grafton Captured U - boat WW2???
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Sorry Jimmy, senior moment. It wasn't Salmon it was Graph (not Grafton), ex U570.

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2008, 10:53:18 AM »

Thanks Colin
The K- Boat model looks super . It is I take it that it is all singing and dancing with all the bells and whistles??? (just Kidding) I know what you mean as I seem to have more and more of these so called Senior moments.
In your records do you have any info on HMS P514 she was a US R class (I think ! info is confused) Lend-lease boat sunk with all hands in 1942 by a US or Canadian corvette or CG cutter (again info is garbled) a so called Blue on Blue incident any info you might have would be very welcome as my Father was part of the crew.
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2008, 11:06:10 AM »

Jimmy, I'm no submarine expert I'm afraid, but if you Google HMS P 514 there are several accounts of her tragic loss on being rammed by the Canadian HMCS Georgian. Was your father on board at the time?

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 11:26:02 AM »

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Thanks old man there is a wealth of info in these web site's. As I ask Colin do you have any info on HMS P514???
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2008, 11:38:03 AM »

Thanks again Colin
I'm a novice at this computer business I never thought that I could look something like that on line so will try Goggle ASAP
Yes my father was lost with the rest of the crew and as a historical note I also lost an uncle on the M3 she was lost when the hanger flooded
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2008, 06:34:27 PM »

It was the M2 lost. The M3 survived her career unscathed, having been successfully converted to a mine layer.

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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2008, 07:09:33 PM »

Jimmy,

Try clicking on these links:

http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?16110

http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3658.html

This next one one has a picture of Tom Barron who would have been one of your Father's shipmates. It makes very interesting reading.

http://www.hmsgangesassoc.org/tombarron.html

Hope this is of some help to you.

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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2008, 08:55:23 AM »

Andrew,

Congrats on the acquisition on the K4.  I'd love to build one of the K or M class boats sometime in the coming decade once I have a better skill set ahead of me.  Not sure what it is, but there is something about those monstrosities that appeal to me.  O0

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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2008, 12:37:12 PM »

 Colin :-))
Many thanks for the info ,a lot of it previously unknown has been on passed to the family

Again Many thanks
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2008, 09:50:21 PM »

I have a British Sub HMS Resolution it was an old kit but you can still get it from Subtect it is a sub that was around in the 80's from memory I think it was One of the first
NUC's.

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