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allnightin

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« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2010, 07:59:26 PM »

This programme on radio 4 gives a lot better understanding of what it is really about and well worth listening to:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pxll6

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jonny shoreboy

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« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2010, 06:20:50 PM »

The only way to fix the problem would be to fix the country where most of them are coming from. Somalia is the problem but I don't have an answer on how to fix it. <:(

Q-ships seems like a good idea, but could lead to an escalation of the problem. If ships start carrying guns then the pirates will simply bring bigger ones. Perhaps even just opening fire on vessels and inflecting heavy damage to them and inevitably lead to an increase in the loss of lives.

Escorting vessels through the area with warships seems like a good idea for a deterrent but who is going to cover the costs?

O.k. serious thoughts aside, how about some less serious ideas?

Put a huge reward for the capture of pirates and fill the sea with gun crazy mercs and let them all fight it out for a while.
Impose a world navy blockade on the coast of Somalia so that if any boat leaves the sure it is staring down massive aircraft carriers and escort fleets.
Better still get all the big Battleships that are mothballed (or not) in America, crew them, arm them and have those patrol the waters.
Surely Captain Nemo and the Nautilus could be a solution?
Legalise Piracy and impose huge taxes on them so they can't afford to do it anymore?
More contraversally send them Gordan Brown to run their organisation and finances and they will be broke in a few years and (too far?)..
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craftysod

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« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2010, 06:30:31 PM »

Do 2 of the above things,
Send them gordon brown
legalise piracy
And he will screw or tax them to death,like he is doing to us
The goverment are legal pirates,they rob us,so it will work
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« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2010, 06:33:36 PM »

Just tell bankers they will get bonuses if Piracy ceases - job done!
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« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2010, 12:44:55 PM »

I noticed in the paper today,that some Somali Pirates are possibly looking to get into the Scrappage scheme,..they hijacked a container ship full of what they thought was New Hyundai cars,..turned out it was full of old Bangers, {-)

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« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2010, 02:52:04 PM »

Escorting vessels through the area with warships seems like a good idea for a deterrent but who is going to cover the costs?

I note my taxes already pay for a navy - isn't this their job? Why should it cost more? %)

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« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2010, 08:10:12 PM »

Biting off more than they can chew?

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U.S. Navy Captures 5 Pirates After Firefight
Suspected Somali pirates fired on a U.S. Navy warship off East Africa early Thursday in what appeared to be a ransom-seeking attack on an American guided missile frigate, officials said. The USS Nicholas returned fire on the pirate skiff, sinking it and confiscating a nearby mother ship. Five pirates were taken into custody, said Navy Lt. Patrick Foughty, a spokesman.
International naval forces have stepped up their enforcement of the waters off East Africa in an effort to thwart a growing pirate trade.
"If you think of the kind of young men who are doing this, they go out into the middle of the ocean in a tiny boat. They might not always make rational decisions, and they often attack things that are bigger than they should (attack)," said Middleton. "It's also quite possible that they don't have a full understanding of the targets they are attacking. Perhaps they just see a big ship they think is a worth a lot of money," he said.
Source : CBS2
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The long Build

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« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2010, 09:19:35 PM »

If I was a Pirate I don't think I would take on something big and Grey (assuming it was Grey) as big grey thinks tend to shoot back..  %%
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« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2010, 09:28:25 PM »

I was listening to a radio 4 programme a while ago and they interviewed a Captain that had fought off pirates. he had many large pieces of heavy wood aboard and he got his crew to line them up along the sides of the deck. When the pirates came along side in their fast boat the pushed one of these "sleepers" off the side in front of the pirates who then had to swerve away from the ship in order to avoid wrecking their boat. even though the pirates hit the ship with a couple of grenades, the crew just held their nerve and pushed more wood over the side until they gave up.

The captain said that they have boarding ladders with hooks at the top. when they get them hooked over the rails and get a man on the bottom rung, the weight is almost impossible to unhook.

http://www.idaratmaritime.com/wordpress/?p=229

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/somalia/5436442/British-captain-describes-fighting-off-Somali-pirates-in-Arabian-Sea.html
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« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2010, 04:23:18 PM »

In all honesty and seriousness I don't think you can lay the blame on the "big grey ships". In times of yore (ie prior to 1997) I think the Rules of Engagement were pretty clear to all COs. Piracy is not a recent phenomenon, nor is hostage taking. But it does appear that nowadays the "guy on the spot" (especially if he/she is British) have the "guiding light" sitting more of less permanently on the shoulders. This problem will never go away until the Whitehall brigade just let the bod on the spot take the action he has been trained to evaluate and act on in an appropriate manner. Assuming you are referring to the incident involving one of the newish RFAs, the press approbrium on that ship was surely misdirected, and should really be aimed at Whitehall. BY.
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The Antipodean

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« Reply #60 on: April 04, 2010, 06:43:11 PM »

If I was a Pirate I don't think I would take on something big and Grey (assuming it was Grey) as big grey thinks tend to shoot back..  %%

It was definitely grey, it was a USN Missile Frigate.
They caught the 3 on that boat, sank it and then got it's "Mother Ship" with another 5 on board and then took the ship captive.
The problem they have is where do they drop them off?
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« Reply #61 on: April 04, 2010, 06:49:05 PM »

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The problem they have is where do they drop them off?

The stern preferably....
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The long Build

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« Reply #62 on: April 04, 2010, 06:58:19 PM »

It was definitely grey, it was a USN Missile Frigate.
They caught the 3 on that boat, sank it and then got it's "Mother Ship" with another 5 on board and then took the ship captive.
The problem they have is where do they drop them off?

Send them back to the Mainland, How big are the Missiles  :} :}
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« Reply #63 on: April 04, 2010, 10:05:42 PM »

An open helicopter door at 5000 feet is a lot cheaper than a missile and less open to misinterpretation.!!!!! Just return them to place of origin :-))
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Minime

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« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2010, 04:28:36 AM »

ah yeah, I saw that a couple of months ago. BTW, has anyone here tried the kit of the HDMS Abslalon?
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« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2010, 07:05:04 AM »

My apologies {-)  Minime ....being in the worlds best OZ convict great southern land  :-))..........we obviously get broadcasts after their use by date in the northern hemisphere  :P

However to answer your question on the model......if you corrected your spelling from  HDMS Abslalon .....to the vessels correct name HDMS Absalon & searched in Mayhem you will find the latest response ....Derek  ;)
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Minime

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« Reply #67 on: April 05, 2010, 01:44:42 PM »

and I thought our broadcasts were late... I'll do a search then and since it isn't 4.30 in the morning I might even be able to type it right in the search bar :-)
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« Reply #68 on: April 07, 2010, 11:32:52 AM »

If I was a Pirate I don't think I would take on something big and Grey (assuming it was Grey) as big grey thinks tend to shoot back..  %%

 Except when they are flying the White Ensign. ( <:( "those naughty Iranians took my ipod and called me names")
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« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2010, 01:01:27 PM »

A Cunning Plan? http://www.p-trap.eu/


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« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2010, 06:05:59 PM »

Would have been more convincing had they employed an English speaking proof reader.  It looks like it written by that guy who keeps trying to tellme the I have won the Irish Lottery.  Or John from Nigeria.
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Minime

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« Reply #72 on: May 03, 2010, 07:53:33 PM »

sad they didn't shoot any pirates though
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« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2010, 06:33:02 PM »


 Now that's what I call a warship bow!   :-))






http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8667640.stm
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