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Dave Leishman

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Paint source?
« on: April 15, 2006, 09:57:03 PM »

I suspect the vast majority of builders use car type paints to spray models and although I do use those on occasion I do prefer the airbrush. I find it gives more control, especially where models are for display only and not for r/c.

I've been using Humbrol, but find the standard pot sizes too small and the larger sizes are limited to common colours, such as black, white, etc. It can also be a nightmare trying to find enough pots of the same colour from a single supplier - usually I have to order from two or more.

Does anyone know of any paint manufacturer or supplier that covers a large colour range, but sells in larger quantities (either acrylic or enamel)?

I've been trying to find out if any car paint manufacturer supply their paint in tins suitable for use in an airbrush (rather than aerosols). I suppose they must supply it to the motor trade, but so far I haven't come across anyone that also supplies to the public.
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Re: Paint source?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2006, 10:51:08 PM »

I was told by a bodyshop guy that they mix their own shades from a limited range of standard colours using data supplied by the manufacturers which is also recorded on the vehicle somewhere. So many parts of white to so many parts of blue and so many parts of green etc. A bit like B&Q I suppose... Halfords simply supply them ready mixed in aerosol form.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2006, 11:14:42 PM »

Look for "Auto Refinishing Factor" in Yellow Pages.  My local one supplies over the counter for cash in 500mL tins, any shade, whatever solvent, and they ask if it's for brushing or spraying.
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Dave Leishman

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2006, 11:26:32 PM »

Colin: I've just had the door replaced on my Volvo after it connected rather noisily with a concrete lampost and I remember the bodyshop guy writing down the number displayed through the windscreen when I took it in to be evaluated. I guess that was the colour code.

Malcolm: I'll give that a go - thanks! :D
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2006, 12:26:16 PM »

Hi DAVE,You could try Squires Model And Craft Tools,they carry a vast range of Humbrol paints,also many other useful items like miniature rope,blocks etc.I get a lot of my modelling gear from there.The phone no.is 01243 842424,call them and they`ll send you a free catalogue.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2006, 12:48:41 PM »

Hi Dave

I've used Liquitex Artist's Acrylics which come in 59ml plastic containers. They are concentrated and need thinning for brushing and spraying. They have a large range of colours and are available from artist suppliers. Most importantly they work out slightly cheaper than the tinlets.  :)

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Re: Paint source?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2006, 02:47:47 PM »

Hi Dave

There is another way to get the exact colours that you want in bigger quantities, and cheaper than most places!

 Go to B&Q or Homebase etc and buy a 250ml tin colour sampler of the colour you need ( they say they can match any colour in the ads!!).
These sample tins are matt waterbased paint. Apply this by brush or thin down to spray and when dry seal with gloss/satin/matt varnish as required(at least two coats!!). I have been doing this for years and have never had a problem yet! 8)
 It was the only alternative cost effective option to a small fortune in other paints for my big scale Mersey Lifeboat!!

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2006, 02:56:26 PM »

Some good tips here guys - thank you!
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2006, 09:47:15 PM »

Hi Dave,

Nip into a Depot or Homebase and have a look at the Plasti Kote range. Most things from red oxide primer to clear acrylic finnish. Comes in rattle cans and pots suitalbe for use in air brush. I have used it on three models now with no problems.

Yours Colin H.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2006, 09:50:05 PM »

car paint suppliers can match to a particular colour the same as B&Q can.

Has to be a decent paint specialist though, not halfords as they barely know how to work the machine.

There are about 100 base colours, which go into make specific paints, including aditives for Perl and metalics.

The paint code on the car doesnt tell you the mix, just the colour name. You then have to look up this code in the paint makers book (or microfiche) to see what the mix is.

My Mini is 'Rover Hawaiian Blue' which has a code of 'JFK' you then have to look this up in the paint makers book to get the specific mix, ie. 10 grams of perl, 10grams of blue no3 etc

When they ask if its for spraying for brushing (who the hell brush paints a car!?) they just mix it 50/50 with thinners for spraying.

Anyone tried international Yacht paint? designed for boats after all. or Epoxy Yacht paints?
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2006, 10:15:24 PM »

Yacht paints are exceptionally durable and probably overkill for modelling purposes. many are two part formulations but you can get one part enamels such as International's Toplac or the Blakes equivalent which are supposed to last twice as long as conventional enamels. I have used Toplac in a non modelling context and it is certainly a superb paint but with a price to match. If you have a large hull to paint in white gloss or a standard colour then it's worth considering but otherwise specialiost modelling paints would be best.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2006, 10:37:10 PM »

Hi Dave,

Nip into a Depot or Homebase and have a look at the Plasti Kote range. Most things from red oxide primer to clear acrylic finnish. Comes in rattle cans and pots suitalbe for use in air brush. I have used it on three models now with no problems.

Yours Colin H.

I saw a display stand of Plasti Kote today in B&Q that included a number of 50ml tubs however, before I could have a good look I was dragged off to garden furniture...I'll never understand women...

I'll sneak back for a closer examination when I manage to slip my leash next time ;D
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2006, 11:25:57 PM »

I use the Plastikote tins of spray for some of my other modelling hobbies ( model wargames figures and tanks ) and so long as you make sure you have a good even coat of undercoat ( I use Halfords matt black undercoat in 500ml spray cans ) then you will get a good coverage and even colour. You even get a matt plastikote sealer which , i'm assuming , is a liquid air drying plastic which looks shiny for a few weeks but soon dulls down and the level of protection you get is pretty good. I've sprayed metal tanks with the sealer and accidentally dropped one or two and the paint hasn't chipped yet ( which is a miracle for me !! ) so it should be good enough for model boats hulls.It is external weather rated so should be fine in the water.

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2006, 12:53:42 PM »

Hi Davie..

Did you get any reaction to the halford stuff and the Plastikote?

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2006, 05:06:39 PM »

Hi Declan,

Don't know about Halfords but Plasti Kote hates Humbrol or Humbrol hates Plasti Kote can't remember which way round it was but I will not make the mistake again. I ended up with a tar like substance which took ages to scrape off and rub down.

Yours Colin H.
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2006, 05:46:44 PM »

Cheers Colin_H

I know I have details somewhere about one not liking the other but couln't remember which one.  I'll have a look on the old puter to see what I have.  My computer is looking more and more like my shed - Full of cr*p.  Then again I'm a IT guy.

NO!! Not a nerd!!

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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2006, 05:48:18 PM »

Hi Davie..

Did you get any reaction to the halford stuff and the Plastikote?

Declan

No Declan guess I was lucky but the Black Halfords undercoat didn't react to the Plastikote Green spray that I used. The only thing i've found it that if you use the Plastikote sealer whatever you do DO NOT use superglue once its been sprayed. The superglue reacts with the liquid plastic and goes a bit like white foam around the glue bond. Its fine it the superglue has had a chance to completely set before being sprayed but definately not to be reccomended after spraying.

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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2006, 02:26:20 PM »

The automotive trade can mix thousands of colours fron what would appear to be a limited chioce of base colours.
Now the "Trade" is changing from solvent based colours (cellulose) to water based ones.
Fortunately for me, my ex boating collegue (now a flyer) owns a spray shop so I can get colours (such as Ford Lipstick Pink - a plumb-like colour) made up they still add isocynate to the paint to cut down the drying time. The cost is not cheap - some of the base colours cost three figures a litre! - but it is worth it.
The clear coat laquer used on metallic finished cars is fuel proof. The boat used in my avatar is Rover's Vermillion with a clear laquer which was applied after the decals.
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2006, 04:19:18 PM »

I sprayed at the weekend a model with Plastikcote white. Then I painted Humbrol acrylic over the top last night. The result this morning was a crazed finish on the acrylic, so now I have to scrape/ remove/ swear at the Humbrol and start again with a oil based paint. Ah well we live and learn and learn and learn etc etc.

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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2006, 06:34:23 PM »

Hi,

There was a long thread on the old MB forum re plastikoat.

It reacts when it feels like it.
I had a boat that got a scratch on the plastikoat finish, so I gave it another coat and it reacted to itself.

I'm sure others out there will remember the topic.

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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2006, 07:27:26 PM »

The automotive trade can mix thousands of colours fron what would appear to be a limited chioce of base colours.
Now the "Trade" is changing from solvent based colours (cellulose) to water based ones.
Fortunately for me, my ex boating collegue (now a flyer) owns a spray shop so I can get colours (such as Ford Lipstick Pink - a plumb-like colour) made up they still add isocynate to the paint to cut down the drying time. The cost is not cheap - some of the base colours cost three figures a litre! - but it is worth it.
The clear coat laquer used on metallic finished cars is fuel proof. The boat used in my avatar is Rover's Vermillion with a clear laquer which was applied after the decals.

What! ?1.00  :o

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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2006, 09:06:23 PM »

I must have missed that thread on Plastikoat, I have another boat to spray white but I am having second thoughts in case it reacts again. Strange stuff. perhaps I'll stick to Halfords.

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2006, 09:29:15 PM »

I've just been spraying some wargamming terrain and i've found a problem with the plastikote that i've not seen before. I undercoated with my usual Halfords black matt ,left it 24hrs to dry completely, painted all the details in Acryllic paint,again left it to dry for 24hrs then sprayed the plastikote sealer onto it only to find that some of the colours have run into each other. Very unusual since Acryllic paint needs to be removed with brake fluid normally once its dry and cetainally would never wash out of clothes ( as I know to my cost !! ). Think i'll have to rethink using the plastikote again. I'm going to start using Halfords matt car sealer from now on. The Halfords car paints seem to be fine for me but i'm going to throw out the plastikote stuff in the morning........and stick all the terrain I made into a sealed tub filled with brake fluid to remove everything and start again  :-\ :-\
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2006, 10:08:33 PM »

This is all a bit worrying! I must admit I have stayed clear of Plasticote to date because of the phrase "Plasti" which suggests possible incompatibility. However, as was stated in the old MB thread, many problems are caused by leaving insufficient time for the underlying coating to cure which can be surprisingly long in some cases. Has anyone got any wisom on the possible use of a heat source e.g. hairdryer to speed up curing times?
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2006, 10:37:27 PM »

Hi,

Colin is quite right abour the drying times for pasti kote the instructions are miss leading to say the least. 40 minutes touch dry etc.

I leave every coat 48 hours but thats in my shed. I have just sprayed an Atlantis plura hull and following advice from the previous forum used a promotor 1 coat. After that I followed with 3 coats palsti kote red oxide. Then above water line in plasti coat something green 3 coats followed by a white plastic strip (you know the stuff for fly boys) to form the water line. Finally 3 coats plasti kote clear acrylic no problems at all. Hull as been in the water and all appears stable at this time.

Probably b---dy peel of tomorrow now I have written this post. ??? ??? ???

Yours Colin H.
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