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[barryfoote]

Well it looks like HMS Victory (the one before the famous one), has been found by a US team. This could be very interesting and maybe just a little controversial...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7863840.stm

Barry

[nhp651]

AHHH, NO PROBLEMS,
THIS GOVERNMENT will just borrow a few more billions on behalf of the taxpayers to buy it from the salvors and say its for the good of us all....... they love bailing out sinking ships.....................perhaps he will pay off our national debt with a few brass cannon.lol

[Hagar]

Wasnt there talk of it having like 8million £ of gold in her cargo......

[barryfoote]

Yes I believe there was and the ship was found some time ago but only properly declared recently due to arguments with the British as it was in International Waters..

[toesupwa]

Which 'other' HMS Victory?... 

The First HMS Victory, a 42 gun ship, originally the Great Christopher was purchased by the Royal Navy in 1569.

The Second HMS Victory, a 42 gun ship was launched in 1620.

The Third HMS Victory caught fire and burnt to the waterline in February 1721, a 100-gun ship launched in 1675 as Royal James, then renamed 7 March 1691.

The Fourth HMS Victory was launched on 23 February 1737 and sank in 1744.

The fifth HMS Victory was an 8 gun schooner, launched in 1764.

The sixth and current HMS Victory (Portsmouth, England) had its keel laid 23 July 1759, soooooo..... i would of said the Fourth HMS Victory is the one that has just been found.

The one housed at Portsmouth is actually the Sixth HMS Victory and is the oldest naval ship still in commission.

[barryfoote]

Toesupwa,

Yes I appreciate it is the 4th but as it is now officially the only other HMS Victory in existance, I titled the thread "The Other....."

[wbeedie]

Being a state owned vessel the salvors are not allowed the same salvage rights as if it was privately owned ie the vessel still belongs to the UK

[Seaspray]

Surely you can't own something after so long and they probably got the insurance payment of some kind towards her loss. Which would make it the insurance company have the ownership of the vessel.

Also if it is in international water doesn't that have a bearing on the find.

I thought there is a law of  finders keeper.

[Jonty]

  Insurance on a warship? In the eighteenth century?

[Colin Bishop]

I think it's a matter of Sovereign ownership.

[Seaspray]

Surely the sailors family's were compensated when the crew were lost in service.

Sureprised is this day and age that they can still claim sovereignty as they never showed any interest in it till it was found.

Anybody know the earliest records of Loyds of London (1838 ?)

[Colin Bishop]

Surely the sailors family's were compensated when the crew were lost in service.

More likely to have been turned out into the street to beg. Simply getting the Government to find sailors pay was a problem in those days, I doubt if there was any compensation at all. As late as WW2, if you were in the merchant service and your ship was torpedoed your pay stopped the moment the ship went down - with all your possessions on board!

Colin

[oldiron]

Surely the sailors family's were compensated when the crew were lost in service.

More likely to have been turned out into the street to beg. Simply getting the Government to find sailors pay was a problem in those days, I doubt if there was any compensation at all. As late as WW2, if you were in the merchant service and your ship was torpedoed your pay stopped the moment the ship went down - with all your possessions on board!

Colin

.....and you were expected to go down to the hall, as soon as you were rescued (maybe), and sign up for your next vessel.

John