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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2009, 09:00:33 am »

Have you tried working with styrene yet?  It's really quite easy.  I notice you build most of your boats out of wood, and the wood-grain tends to show through.  Building a wood frame and sheeting it with styrene drastically simplifies the surface prep needed for a good smooth finish.  It will also let you make bulwarks in one piece instead of the multiple flat pieces you're using now.

You can use plastic taken from packaging... under a paint coat, nobody will know!  I try to hold on to old gift cards, they too are a good source of materials.

In general, your engineering skills are very good, but your finishing skills could use some work.  By this i mean, you need to make sure that when you are finished with an assembly, be it hull, superstructure, gun deck or cabin, that the surfaces have been treated accordingly and as best as you can do it.  Modelmaking combines art and engineering; making a working object and making it look right.  As someone with an artistic background, i find the art part easier, and i struggle with the engineering aspect.  You yourself are the opposite.  This doesn't make either of us bad, just means that we need to be aware of our strengths, hold them back a bit and concentrate on our weaknesses.

I look forward to seeing the progress on this build and on your impressive Well Enhancer, i just thought i'd post this one comment here, rather than spread it out all over your build threads

Take care!
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2009, 09:41:52 am »

Hi ZZ56,

Thanks for the kind words!

On Well Enhancer i'm trying to build with styrene, and it indeed works pretty nice.
The entire wheelhouse of Well Enhancer is made out of styrene.
The reason i'm using wood on this model because i want it to look like a wood structure, and then styrene is a difficult material, while wood is very easy, but your point is noted.
My experience with wood is that it is pretty good for making the walls and decks to make a strong foundation for heavy detailing, and wood is also cheaper, but as you said, wood indeed isn't easy to make it look like a steel sonstruction.
My budget is pretty low, so when i can use waste materials i will do so.
The windows will be made form clear plastic packages, it works excelent after  a bit of cleaning.

Greetings Josse
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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2009, 10:14:05 am »

i can use them to pull my skills up fast.
that isn't the way to go Josse.......model making( of any media) is a long slow and sometimes thankless task.
I have been model makingin ships only for 50, yes 50 years, since I was 8 years old, and am still learning.
I learn new things on this site daily.
as I said originally and others have since repeated, concentrate on one model, start with a small one, and ( i know others will not agree) try starting with a cheep kit....all parts are usually there, and the fittings will give you an idea of what they look like, and how on a later model you can copy them.
It is a slow process that you should enjoy, Josse, not a method of producing something as quickly as possible.
The skills that you learn today will stay with you for the rest of your life, be they good or bad skills.
TAKE YOUR TIME and enjoy the experience.
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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2009, 10:31:09 am »

Like nhp651 I also think starting with kits is helpful. :-))

The kit would have been designed to be assembled a certain way. By doing the kits you will see how some boats are supposed to be put together. And you will have learned some basic techniques and construction methods.

After you have done this you will have learned a new way of doing several things.

After you have learned a few skill this way, you will be able to transfer these skill to other builds. You will also have more ability to learn new skills.

We are all learning, all the time. O0
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2009, 11:13:07 am »

Hello, the ship looks good ( dutch flag haha) my question, i have seen some lights on your model, where did you get them from?
special shop, internet?/
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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2009, 01:38:53 pm »

Topic now cleaned up.  Many thanks to all members for their assistance and support with this project.
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« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2009, 02:24:47 pm »

More like topic censored.  >>:-(
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« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2009, 02:36:34 pm »

Sorry DickyD but I personally dont think this is censorship at all simply because what was being said was outright RUDE.We cant be all super dooper modle builders can we,we all have to strat somewhere and this lad should be encouraged and not shot down in flames and ridiculed, you for one would not at all be happy if anyone had slaged any of yours would you.


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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2009, 02:40:34 pm »

Quite agree with Stav. Some of the earlier posts were unnecessary, discourteous and offensive and not something i would wish to see on here.

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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2009, 04:34:30 pm »

Hi Kelvin,

Van Lopik in Vlaardingen sells the bulbs, and they aren't very expansive.
The LED's are from shops like Kruidvat, and are sold there as set of lights for in the christmastree, and have a battery-pack attached to them, which i allways cut off to be able to use the normal drive battery.
When doing that, please keep in mind that LED's can handle only about 3V, so it's needed to use either resistance (most recommended) or attach them serial in sets of 2, like i do.
LED's have my recommendation, as they don't get hot, and use less power, Well Enhancer's lights allready take more 2Amps because those are bulbs.

Greetings Josse
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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2009, 04:36:36 pm »

josse, I get around an amp with all of my LED's when the combined load is totalled for all of them
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2009, 06:05:09 pm »

Sorry DickyD your wrong

Stav and Colin are right on the button on this one and what Bunkerbarge has done has my full support


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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2009, 02:59:56 pm »

Josse
why don't you 'learn' to make the likes of Airfix models? That's how I started. Learn how to make model spitfires and Sherman tanks and once you can get them looking neat, move on into RC scratch-builds..

In that vein, there's a few kits from a US maker called Lindberg, they are RC model boats. That'd kill 2 of your birds in 1 shot, you'll learn on a 'kit' and it's an area your interested in.

They made a PT 109 and a Fletcher class destroyer. Both are about 3ft long. As others have said, you'll get further with a kit than you would scratchbuildng. Then again, it looks like you're having a blast as you are.
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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2009, 04:12:50 pm »

Hi TCC,

I have allready completed over 40 kits, and i'm really not going back to kits.
Don't like to improve kits to make them look nice, so that's really not a good option.

Greetings Josse
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« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2009, 06:50:20 pm »

Hi TCC,

I have allready completed over 40 kits, and i'm really not going back to kits.
Don't like to improve kits to make them look nice, so that's really not a good option.

Greetings Josse

Hiya Josse
I don't mean just putting the things together with a coat of green on the top and sky blue underneath and the tyres and prop painted gloss black... I mean actually learning to make the kits as fne as you can. Maybe getting a spitfire Mki and researching it out and converting your to a mkviiii with all the seams filled and sanded and a bob-on paint job. As being a better model builder has to come from you, it has to be in you and it's something you can't really teach.

Modelling is hard work and, no offence, I'm not sure many youngsters have the temperment for it. Modelling requires a great deal of preparation.. stuff like sanding down the surface in order to get a decent paint job... filling and sanding joints.. it can be labourious hard work!!!

I'm not knocking you Josse mate but there's an old maritime saying that says, roughly 'sxxt in, sxxt out!' So don't be surprised if you don't fill and/or sand down a hull to see a bitty and totally cxxp painted surface.

But the above is the best advice I can offer you, do some plastic kits and involve yourself in them until you can complete them to a level you're happy at. But if you can't put the time in for some reason, accept it and just enjoy yourself doing what you like to do. Good luck mate
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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2009, 07:57:19 pm »

Hi Josse,
Keep up the good work, and build what interests you. Keep experimenting with new materials and ways of doing things, as you have been doing, and you will keep improving. Your on the right track, and the main thing is to enjoy what you are doing. I too work on a very limited budget and use anything I can find from our recycle bin. Lots of ideas on this from other members here. Your getting the basics sorted, now ease into the finish details.
All the different techniques for final finishing are all here in the forum, and all the members will help with any questions on specifics.
I like your night shots, and hope you can teach me a bit about the 'black art' of lighting.
All the best for your studies and continued modeling
cheers
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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2009, 01:51:52 am »

Hi TCC,

I have allready completed over 40 kits, and I'm really not going back to kits.
Don't like to improve kits to make them look nice, so that's really not a good option.

Greetings Josse

Hi Tweety


You say you have done 40. What have you done and how long did it take you?
What types of kit have you made?
Plastic kits or wooden kits?

Some of the wooden kits come with very good instructions. You start with some parts pre-cut, but the rest is a pile of wood you need to cut and shape yourself.

Also, have a look at the Masterbuilds on here, if you have not doe so yet. There are lots of techniques here.
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« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2009, 05:37:25 am »

The kits were various plasic models, majorly aircraft, which were build way to fast.
I'm really not going back to those type of models, i hate building them, and i'm not motivated to improve them.

Hi Kiwi,

Thanks for the compliments!

What did you mean with "Black Art" of lighting?
The photographing, or appleing lights in the model?

Greetings Josse
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« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2009, 07:25:08 am »

Hi Josse,
By 'Black art" I mean its all a mystery to me, and I admire anyone who can make the smoke filled copper actually do something besides go bang, as I do on a regular basis. And once that smoke escapes, how do you put it all back in?
Only kidding, my forte is building the boats, but when it comes to the electrics, well if it don't just plug together, I haven't a clue how to do it.
Would love to add some electronics, lights etc, to my models but.....
Have just built myself a couple of 'footy-scows' (model sailing scows built to the 'footy rules'), no problem with that, (only took a month), but its now more than a month since I completed the hulls and rigging, and the radio installations still not complete. Very tight budget doesnt help, but have taken the r/c gear from an old off the shelf 'r-to-go' and trying to install it all inside with new - smaller battery packs, (old packs totally useless) fiddly, wires everywhere, and still at it. Will get there eventually
keep happy, keep modelling, or we loose our sanity me thinks
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« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2009, 08:55:00 am »

Hi Kiwi,

There is one very important thing to know, and that's the basis for working with electronics (direct current that is): + and - shouldn't be connected to each other, as that shorts the lot.
Power is going from + to -.
As long as all the wires (mostly each function has it's own colour wire) are connected to a wire with the same function, and on the same line (say, connecting 2 servo's to 1 channel on the receiver, in that case connect all red wires to eachother, black same story, and the remaining colour also same story), but don't connect for example ESC with a servo, that makes the model respond very weird.
On the internet are a lot of diagrams for electric wiring, the easy ones, and more difficult ones.
The things noted above are actually the basis for every electric wiring.

If you got questions about electrics, i like to answer them, though i really don't know everything about it.
Would like to come to you to show, then i can see the country as well, but think that's not going te happen >>:-( <:( <:( <:(  :P :P

Greetings Josse
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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2009, 10:48:08 am »

Hi Jossee,

I know it is a steep learning curve and a picture is worth a thousand words.  May I with repect steer you to the materclass section and take a look at Bluebirds model for beginners.  A great build log, plenty of pictures a great learning tool.

For what its worth I went through a pretty miserable time when I started to build guitars so many people wanted to give all of the negatives and pretty much wanted to treat it as a "black art" and keep everything as some sort of secret.  Eventually I found a forum very much like this one with plenty of help and advice - constructive criticism too.

Criticism for the sake of it isn't worth a light.

Now my instruments are made and sold to professional musicians with a 2 year wait it just shows what you can achieve given time and encouragement.

Keep building and keep asking questions - I still do.

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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2009, 11:31:04 am »

Hi Billy,

Just wrote all the topics in the Masterclass-section.
The ones from Bluebird indeed are very good to learn how to build.
Think i'm going to make more pics of how i do things as well, so you guys can see what i can improve.

Right now i'm working on an own Dutch forum, which is restricted for my friends only, but it does take my time, so i can't build very much right now.

Greetings Josse
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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2009, 02:07:02 pm »

Here is an update:



Pete Balsawood in bed.

Making port equal to starboard.

Here are 2 How-to's so you can give me tips on to improve my builds.

First measuring the size for the part. This will be a bed.

Then cutting the parts. I only push on my knife, i don't make moves like when cutting.

Bed's will stand against 2 walls, so i need only 2 parts to make one bed.

Then glue them together.
That's where i'm now, so this how-to will be contiuned.

The second one, the construction of tools:

Cutting the part in the right shape.

Unfortunatly it went wrong when i was cutting the last 2 pieces, so it will be used for a very special bold.

And this is what it looks like on board. Length is "only" 50cm's.

Greetings Josse
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