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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2009, 02:45:27 pm »

What are we talking about here? I once sprayed a motorbike.. had the compressor, spray gun, bought a tin of cellulose car paint (of my choice) and thinners and some laquer. Are you saying I'll not be able to do that nowadays?

To the garage owner who wants to stop 'foreigners' or 'non garage repairs', fine... then stop B&Q selling bags of plaster or cement, make it a legal requiremnt that owning a cement mixer, or scaffold, or any building tool that you need to belong to a building industry trade body.

Life isn't fair but I don't sqeal like a pig because of it. If a mechanic does a dodgy repair on a landrover, well on his conscience be it.. you can't ban or outlaw home repairs because of it.
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Malcolm Reade

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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2009, 03:20:03 pm »

... then stop B&Q selling bags of plaster or cement, make it a legal requiremnt that owning a cement mixer, or scaffold, or any building tool that you need to belong to a building industry trade body.

Give them a little time, they'll do it soon enough...

I'm a professionally qualified electrical/control engineer of 40 years standing - but I'm no longer allowed to work on the electrics in my own house.  I'd have to go and do an electricians Part 'P' course and qualification first - around £800 / £900 for the course and (give or take) £1000/year thereafter...

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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2009, 03:36:54 pm »

All this increased regulation is encouraging people not to take responsibility for their own actions which probably ultimately defeats the object as they cease to understand what is potentially dangerous and what isn't.

Absolutely - totally agree  :-)) has always amazed me that they seem to clamp down on things like this & yet it's perfectly legal for just about anyone to walk into a garden centre & walk out with a petrol chainsaw..... :o

Not sure if you're all aware of the fact that many large branches of Halfords will make up either 1/2 or 1 litre tins of cellulose colour matched to any car / paint code, from memory the 1/2 litre costs around £14 & is unthinned so goes a long way.

Because we regularly use this service, & worried by the implications of this thread, I've just checked with their supplier & they have no plans to cease doing so  :-)

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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2009, 04:38:40 pm »

  I have just spoken to my cousin who owns a garage and accessory shop, he tells me that he knows a lot of wholesalers
 that will not sell to the public because of the small amounts required, It requires as much effort to mix up the paint from
 one ounce as it does for 45 gallons and that involves a lot of work cleaning up the mixing machine afterwards.   If that is so
 then I suppose thats as good an excuse as any..    bigH
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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2009, 06:36:00 pm »

Its not an EEC thing, its a world wide thing, most countries are involved, we just abide by the EEC part of it.

All cellulose paints / laquers are banned for most uses, they can not be manufactured for those uses, You can still buy thinners if you can get them to sell it as they can sell it , the cheaper thinner formulations are banned under different laws regarding toluene and some other chemicals etc.

Spray paint in aerosols is not covered by the law and it is still supplied and mixed to colour code as it always has been, the bulk litre cans of paints from paint factors are banned unless you can get permision to use it, one way, your car needs to be classed by the goverment as a classic, then your local classic car club ( you need to be a member) they have a trained (by the goverment dvla etc ) member wil check your car to see if it is worth restoring , if it passes the requirements you then can have permission to buy and paint the car, the one time, an application is needed each time you paint in a suitable classic colour!

You do not need to be a proffessional car restorer, no saftey checks or anything, but you do need the one time licence from a car club each time you buy or use it!

For about 15+ years we have manufactured high VOC cellulose laquers , coloured paints and sanding sealers there is nothing in the new laws to stop us doing this or supplying them to any customer retail , trade ( retailer or wholesaler )

As we manufacture coloured solvent based high VOC enamels , cellulose and 2 pack paints.....and its completely legal to do so! and legal to sell to anyone for certain uses, its the use of it thats banned , and the manufacture for the use in illegal activities they list like homecare/diy, car etc

Its now not worth manufacturing it to most companies as they have lost there main market, 99% of all companies you see in modeling and in large diy stores even do not manufacture it mowst dont even pack it, so they cant buy it as its not being made, the market they have is not big enough to bother with manufacture for the supplier and they do not have the technical knowlege or  equipment to make it themselves, especialy as you also need to have been manufacturing it before the year listed in the ban came in to keep making it!

There are still no problems buying the solvents,pigments or resins needed to make it either as long as you have suitable place to store and manufacture for the HSE , fire officers, insurance etc

We are just sorting out waterbased acrylics and olyurethanes as well , as some people want waterbased , but they cant give the finish for some uses that you can get from something like our clear colour nitrocellulose laquers

This years stranger bans, neoprene contact glues can be no more than 227ml (something like that) and they can no longer sell multiples in a box retail to get round it.... one tin per customer!, and polyurethane glues or foams may soon need to be suplied with a gas mask.....
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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2009, 10:47:34 pm »

How will I thin down my sanding sealer?  <:(
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TCC

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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2009, 01:35:44 am »


All cellulose paints / laquers are banned for most uses, they can not be manufactured for those uses, You can still buy thinners if you can get them to sell it as they can sell it , the cheaper thinner formulations are banned under different laws regarding toluene and some other chemicals etc.

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As we manufacture coloured solvent based high VOC enamels , cellulose and 2 pack paints.....and its completely legal to do so! and legal to sell to anyone for certain uses, its the use of it thats banned , and the manufacture for the use in illegal activities they list like homecare/diy, car etc

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This years stranger bans, neoprene contact glues can be no more than 227ml (something like that) and they can no longer sell multiples in a box retail to get round it.... one tin per customer!, and polyurethane glues or foams may soon need to be suplied with a gas mask.....

What is the 'why?' behind these laws? Is it to stop glue-sniffers? Is it the ozone layer? Who or what are they protecting?

neoprene contact glues? Is that Evo Stick? I looked but could only find the likes of 'No Nails' or glue to repair wet suits.



Malcom, yes, my brother used to be a plumber but he got out of it... it was Corgi back then. That was a racket... so much to join and a fee every year.

But I can understand them making gas and electricity tradesmen belong to a trade body as people die as a result of bad workmanship, it's a rare case for someone to die as a result of dodgy brickwork or a rough plastered wall. Builders generally only kill themselves, it's plumbers and sparks that kill thei customers. LOL.
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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2009, 01:03:00 pm »

The laws are to reduce the amount of solvents going into the atmosphere, its part of one of the things like the Kyoto agreement, world wide nearly everone agreed to reduce solvent use.

Contact glues, we now do one in waterbased form called Depbond Pro-w , not to be confused with our Depbond that is a solvent based rubber glue, the High strength ones are based on Neoprene but genaraly had toluene as a solvent, this was banned, so the new formulas came in, now they have decided that the replacement solvents are banned, cyclohexanone ( i think ) so they have banned the glue in larger amounts again due to the enviroment.

How will I thin down my sanding sealer?  <:(

We still make the thinners as we make the sanding sealer, other companies who manufacture it will still have the thinners but most are not making it anymore, but companies buying paints in own brand will not have the market to sell it now as you cant use it in interior wood finishing on the house so the market is very small and they wont be able to buy it reducing the ease of buying it retail

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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2009, 03:16:06 pm »

Thanks for the update. I'm quite taken aback that our personal choice and 'freedom' is diminishing.

So if a car nut wants to respray his hot-hatch as he's put wide arches on it and a air vent on the bonnet, what's he supposed to use for paint? Surely there's a replacment available?
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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2009, 04:20:46 pm »

Thanks for the update. I'm quite taken aback that our personal choice and 'freedom' is diminishing.

So if a car nut wants to respray his hot-hatch as he's put wide arches on it and a air vent on the bonnet, what's he supposed to use for paint? Surely there's a replacment available?

So when is GRP resin and carbody filler going to be included? - From one who is working on a couple of hulls right now.

You should relaise that these eco a*** h**** don't want car nuts in any shape or form, full Stop.

Hail Big Brother - Not.
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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2009, 09:38:05 pm »

Thanks for the update. I'm quite taken aback that our personal choice and 'freedom' is diminishing.

So if a car nut wants to respray his hot-hatch as he's put wide arches on it and a air vent on the bonnet, what's he supposed to use for paint? Surely there's a replacment available?

You have to use waterbased paint on cars now , or a solvent based aerosol , it can work quite well but the car paint version neds different spray gun and heaters to dry the car afterwards

Ive just put a new bonnet on an escort i bought a few weeks back , legaly it now needs painting white, with either aerosol or waterbased.....im not using either of them when ive finished putting the rest of the kit on the car and the engines changed over to a rs2000 one
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Re: Paint supply
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2009, 09:56:31 pm »


So when is GRP resin and carbody filler going to be included? - From one who is working on a couple of hulls right now.

You should relaise that these eco a*** h**** don't want car nuts in any shape or form, full Stop.

Hail Big Brother - Not.


I havent heard of a ban on resin due to the fact that nothing evaporates from t it is all reactive the styrene that is used as a solvent copolymerises with the polymer so not evaporating, minimising polution, however you do need a licence from the enviroment agency to make fiberglass mouldings if you are doing it as a business, this costs about 2000 pounds! another way of trying to destroy any industry this country has

For sometime now full size boat companies have been using acrylic and polyester light cure resins that have far lower voc contents so polute less and create less waste as you dont have to mix resin up before use, its single part so theres no extra mixed waste setting in containers, but in general its not sold in small amounts as its light sensitive it needs more carefull handling so its harder to pack in small containers by grp suppliers , so it may become harder to get eventualy, but i cant see it being soon

From next year its now deffinate that polyurethane glues containing MDI need to be supplied with a pair of gloves, there still arguing about masks
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