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[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Looks 
Blood adds to the model makes it feel like you have put more into it 

Thanks Mat.

Thought I wouldn't show the sweat as it's not right.   

Ken



 

[derekwarner]

Sorry all.....from OZ..... it looks like Ken was measuring out the brass tube with  RED   texta........ & got a bit on the back of his hand ............. ....Derek

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

The perils of home builds, eh, Derek.   

Did a bit more welding today and finished off the mast area. Also done was the section leading to the bow railings. The parts are not secured down yet and it's undecided whether to fix them in before painting or not. 

I'm using the 5mm tube from the big superstore as it's cheaper than the short lengths locally.  Unfortunately I had to go out in the rain and drive over to get some more, as this project is just eating up the stuff.  There's another £30 of brass gone.

Ken

[me3]

hi ken
your build is incredibly impressive
all i can do is look up to you!!!!
i made a robbe najade. i fixed the handrails before painting  the boat and the rails. it was an absolute nightmare to get the paint, for the boat, past the rails.
regards  Reece

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Thank you Reece, I agree with you about the painting. It's probably best to leave the deck uncluttered.

My concern was the fixing (strongly) to a painted surface. I shall probably revert to fixing holes being drilled into the painted deck. This will give a good mechanical bond to the rails.

Cheers

Ken

[me3]

That sounds good Ken. Another idea is you could drill the holes and then paint the model and the rails and glue them from the inside. (if you can get to the rails from the inside, which i doubt you can!!)
Reece

[Brian Roberts]

Hi Ken

Sorry to butt in but the rails on the Severn are fixed to a T section kick board, not directly into the deck. Pity to spoil the ship for a ha'porth of tar...................and all that!

Regards

Brian

[gribeauval]

Hi Ken

Sorry to butt in but the rails on the Severn are fixed to a T section kick board, not directly into the deck. Pity to spoil the ship for a ha'porth of tar...................and all that!

Regards

Brian

Only the side rails Brian, The front pulpit rails are fixed into sockets on the deck.

[Brian Roberts]

Sorry Ken, thought you were referring to the side and transom rails.

Brian

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Thank you for all your thoughts.  It is only the pulpit I was referring to as well as the ones on the flying bridge. Going to have a go on these today.

Can I ask some question please.  Are the side deck rail tops made of flexible wire ?

How are the  kick boards attached to the deck, as the leverage of the attached stanchions will be excessive ?

Ken

[HS93 (RIP)]

brass washers soft soldered at the deck level make good flanges and if you use a small round file you can elongate them for on an angle, that way you set the hight from the deck and you can paint off the boat and fit at the end the washers hide the glue line.

Peter

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Brilliant.       I'd seen the washers at the bottom of the rails and will be fitting them. They will cover the holes on the deck along with the glue underneath.

ps, where do you get the washers ?

Cheers

Ken

[HS93 (RIP)]

hear are a few, I normally pick them up at shows, but from the people below

http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/Chronos_Catalogue_BA_Washers_in_packs_of_25_301.html

http://shop.maidstone-engineering.co.uk/?mod=cat&cat_id=2&order=1

http://www.pollymodelengineering.co.uk/sections/bruce-engineering/materials.asp   download free catalog.

https://www.maccmodels.co.uk/

I normally build on a template of ply but the deck is ok set the hight use a bit of bakers fluid and a very small torch as, you have to be carfull if you use an iron as they tend to move, I have found a small fine flame works great dont forget to put a few metal bulldog clips on the solder joint at the top to stop them getting soft if you overdo it a bit with the heat,

Peter

peter

[gribeauval]

Thank you for all your thoughts.  It is only the pulpit I was referring to as well as the ones on the flying bridge. Going to have a go on these today.

Can I ask some question please.  Are the side deck rail tops made of flexible wire ?

How are the  kick boards attached to the deck, as the leverage of the attached stanchions will be excessive ?

Ken

The side rails from the steps forward are both flexible cable and the stern rails are rigid, same as on the Trent.

On the Trent  I am building I have bolted the kick boards through the deck with 3mm bolts, then filled the heads to improve the looks. The stanchions were then bolted to the kick boards with 12BA nuts and bolts. This is a very strong fixing and with the silver soldered stern rails the whole boat can be lifted by the rails with no problems at all! The side stanchions are also bolted on to the kick boards in the same way.

Mike

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Thank you Mike, that's perfect. Solves my problems here beautifully. I like the pictures as it says it all.

Cheers

ken

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

I normally build on a template of ply but the deck is ok set the hight use a bit of bakers fluid and a very small torch as, you have to be careful if you use an iron as they tend to move, I have found a small fine flame works great don't forget to put a few metal bulldog clips on the solder joint at the top to stop them getting soft if you overdo it a bit with the heat.
Peter

Thank you for that peter. Very helpful indeed. I shall be going shopping now.

I have progressed with the welding and have completed some of the upper bridge deck surrounds. Will be tackling the inner rails today. Really getting the hang of this construction 'lark' now and feeling confident.

ken

[Perkasaman2]

Vundabar! Kenny 

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

As you can imagine, this is taking up an awful lot of brass tube to make these rails. I went out yesterday and bought another £60 worth of the stuff. It's amazing where it all goes. I've even had to buy a gas refill tube for my little welding torch

Today I made the rear rails and started on the side ones for the steps. I've just placed them on at the moment to get the general effect.

ken

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

I've also finished off the top of the Ariel mast and fitted the down supports to the deck of the flying bridge.

ken

[derekwarner]

Ken says....... "I went out yesterday and bought another £60 worth of the stuff" mmmmmm but the result is worth it Ken.....great rails & a clean & straight soldering job ......Derek

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Thank you Derek. Yes, solder.  Now there's another expense.     Surprisingly light for all that metal. Let's hope she floats.

Day off today as the knees are playing up. Nice quiet day visiting relatives.   

ken

[HS93 (RIP)]

Kenny it's sad when the paint goes on the brass work, all the work seems to disappear I have been painting some of the fireboat bits I did and a week of work could have been a white metal part just glued together.

but it is nice working in brass, so its a Lath next then Kenny?.

Peter

[derekwarner]

Oh dear ....Ken says "Nice quiet day visiting relatives" .... do you mean a visit by the the Easter Bunny this weekend Ken???????....

Oh BTW I like the constant radius with the tube work as achieved with your home made tube bender ....the result is  

As I have mentioned here on Mayhem to Nick@Monahan........nothing is better to see than true....vertical & horizontal tube work....however nothing is worse than bent curvey spaghetti tubing ...... - Derek  

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Kenny it's sad when the paint goes on the brass work, all the work seems to disappear I have been painting some of the fireboat bits I did and a week of work could have been a white metal part just glued together.

but it is nice working in brass, so its a Lath next then Kenny?.

Peter

How true.  I mentioned this to my good lady and she agrees with you. Why not have it as polished brass.   ...  it would certainly look OK,  until the time came to re polish them. 

ken

[Tug-Kenny RIP]

Oh dear ....Ken says "Nice quiet day visiting relatives" .... do you mean a visit by the the Easter Bunny this weekend Ken???????....    

Back to the real world. It's quite "Mayhem " out there.  My goodness, the grandchild was quite energetic. Great fun playing with a modern Plasticine substance called 'Play doh'.   (had thoughts of 'how can I use this stuff in my hobby?)

Oh BTW I like the constant radius with the tube work as achieved with your home made tube bender ....the result is      Derek  

Thank you. I guess it's all about the final look, and I wanted it right.  The little machine is encouraging to use as it does come out as desired.   Seems a pity to paint it  (see above)

ken