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J.beazley

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Billings Banckert
« on: December 20, 2006, 10:01:59 PM »

Seeing as this is a tug question i thought i would post it here. ;D

Just want to know if anyone has built this kit and what it handles like on the water???

trailing through the Tugboat kits page, its the only one that jumps out at me everytime i scroll past it ::)

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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2006, 10:29:52 PM »

Hi,

I built this a good few years ago, it was my first kit (and only one - I scratch build now).

If my memory serves me well, it wasn't too hard to build.

On the water, it handles extremely well, though I did replace the kit prop with a proper kort style prop from prop shop.

I run mine on a Buhler motoer with 7.2 v nicads through electronize esc. It runs faster than scale, and has loads of pull (never measured it though),but that means that I get better endurance at scale speeds. It pushes up a real nice bow wave at full speed though!

Up to an hour on one battery pack is easily done.

I cant remember if I had any real problems with it. One thing I did do though was use the rubber bump strip to join the deck and hull together. This means that just by pulling the strip off, the whole deck and superstructure comes off in one - excellent access inside!

If you look at:

www.geocities.com/furnessmbc

in the members models section there is a pic of mine, on a stand not in the water.

Hope this helps

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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2006, 10:34:48 PM »

Jay,
I've built the 'Banckert', not a bad build.  'Billing's doesn't always use the 'best' wood at times so count on doing some sanding, sealing, filling (till you're sick of it).  Building the superstructure around the deck outlines is something else you'd better do.  Odd shaped cabins tend to need the 'help' of the deck.  Depending on the battery you plan to use you may have to 'shoe-horn' things into the hull, then forget about getting it out again.  I made another deck opening under the forward part of the deck cabin, helps with access to stuff.  And unless you do 'micro-surgery' quite often, get the rudder control horns -right- before gluing the deck down.  I wasn't thrilled with the supplied rudders (2 of them) and substituted one larger one instead.  It worked out better than me and the 2 supplied rudders did (more my fault than 'Billing').  Directional control forward is okay.  Reverse is as 'el-stink-o' as almost all boats.  Haven't tried towing anything with it so would guess it's about 'normal' for that size tug.
Actually built two 'Banckert's.  First one sort of disappeared when I turned my back for a few minutes.  No, it didn't sink!  Sort of got distracted, I'm a member of the "CIA", you know (thats a 'Cleavage Inspection Agent').  Being an 'Agent' ain't easy...
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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2006, 10:57:25 PM »

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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 03:57:59 PM »

WICKED im pretty sure thats my mind made up then Banckert it is then after xmas.

cheers for the link Martin that really helped me decide ;D

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2006, 02:42:37 PM »

Hey guys,

Well i'm also getting one for xmas. My first one   ;).

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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2006, 03:29:25 PM »

welcome to the forum  ;D

you will be building yours before me keep us updated on how it builds.
i wont be getting mine until the new year.

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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2006, 12:37:11 PM »

Thank you very much! :D

Ive just opened the box, cute model ;)

However though, it seems like it's missing its  Building Description. I mean the manual wich describes how it should be built. I've got the one with only pictures and the "Building Hints"-booklet.

So for you have built it, should there be a building description??  ???

Merry X-Mas to all of you

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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2006, 02:45:59 PM »

What you have is a Billings Kit - no instruction booklet.

Marrye Christmas!!!

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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2006, 03:51:57 PM »

well i guess thats just billings then, not including build info  ::)

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2006, 11:37:27 PM »

Well Jay,  it's seems like we don't need a manual, it's a great kit!! 
You Just have to  study the (big  A4)  pictures carefully.

The kit  comes with  Plastic hull,  and laser-cut ply  parts,  some plastic and alot of bling-bling-brass details. The laser cut part is not perfect but very close!!!

I will probably post some pictures this weekend..


I've got some questions though.. 

1.  What motor should i use for this tug? Props  40mm.
2. Talking 'bout props,  is it any idea to change the prop to a more scale like brass prop? I can feel the vibration when i spin the prop on the shaft in my hand.
3. ESC, i saw this  T2M Aquaspeed 50 amp controller. Is this an OK controller?

Thanks
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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2006, 11:42:09 AM »

Patrik,
See my earlier post for my solution to driving the bankert, it works ok for me.

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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2006, 06:11:57 PM »

Hey guys, Happy new year!

As i said i'll post some pictures on the progress.  All structures not glued to eachothers yet.
Tomorrow i'll start final sanding and start painting with my new airbrush  ;D

This is my first build so take it in notice.

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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2007, 11:58:03 AM »

You have made a good start - keep up the good work

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2007, 01:50:56 PM »

About the motor, i found a Mabuchi (spelling?) RS 550-SH motor lying around. Is this a suitible motor for this kind of boat?, im thinking about using it with a Rivabo 40mm 4-Blade prop (544-040) on 6volts.

How big servo do you need in a tug like this? ive got a couple of GWS Micro servos lying around theese are about 1.80kg/cm 25oz/inch in torque. Too small? or i need a real standard servo?

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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2007, 02:05:45 PM »

Hi,

I used a standard servo in mine, works fine, and weight isnt really an issue, I had to ad a little lead ballast after the build was complete.

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Re: Billings Banckert
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2007, 03:11:03 PM »

blimey Patrik you waste no time in building.

looks like a nice build cant wait for mine to get here then i can start building too.
keep them pictures coming  ;D

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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2007, 12:34:46 AM »

heh   thanks guys!!

I've been working with the hull today instead.

Sp Jay, whens ur banckert commin??  would like to  hear your comments and thoughts about the kit!


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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2007, 02:44:48 AM »

Jay,
A '550' motor might be just a bit large.  Which just means keeping your foot off the gas, sort of.  You don't see many tugs up on the 'step'.  A 'micro' servo might work, but I used a 'normal' sized one.  Part of the reason why is that sometimes my 'free-moving' rudders aren't always as 'free moving' as they should be.  The other part of that 'reason' was that's what I had.  With the 'stock' double-rudders you'll want a pretty 'hefty' micro-servo, I'd think?
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