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Brian_C

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PEARL HARBOR
« on: March 28, 2010, 08:08:39 pm »

 PICS FOUND IN AN OLD BROWNIE CAMERA, STORED IN A FOOTLOCKER,              these pics were taken by a sailor who was on the uss quapaw  atf-110   i think they are fantastic quality from a box brownie in 1944
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 08:11:35 pm »

and some more
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 08:15:47 pm »

thats all folks,  i think they are great quality, hope they are of interest to you all, bri_c
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2010, 11:31:45 am »

Brian,
Many thanks for posting those pictures. I have contact with a gentleman who was serving in the USN on that day. His ship, USS Whitney (AD-4) destroyer tender, was trapped by having a number of destroyers alongside, they were out of steam and could not be moved.
Amazing fact is that the ship was undamaged and none of the crew were injured.
If you have no objection, I'll forward these to him as he still takes a great deal of interest in that black day. 

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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 01:28:02 pm »

Great photos, but the "sailor" seems to have been in an awful lot of different places during or immediately after the attack, including airborne. I'd have thought he would have had more to occupy his mind than running about taking photos. Is the origin of these pictures an urban myth?

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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 02:06:24 pm »

Some of those pictures are 'standards' which have appeared in many books over the years.

Colin
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 04:26:37 pm »

Hi had these pictures sent to me many year's ago from a member of York Model Boat Club. After checking the history of the U S S Quapaw. It could not have been at Pearl Harbour the keel for this ship was not laid until  December 1942. Check out web site for U S S Quapaw these pictures are mentioned on the web site.

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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 09:22:19 pm »

im only stating what ive been told,,,,,, the rest is history   as we know :-)) O0
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2010, 09:27:08 pm »

Visit http://www.hoax-slayer.com/pearl-harbor-brownie-photos.shtml for the story



This remarkable series of photographs depicts the Japanese attack on the United States at Pearl Harbour in 1941. The photos, and the accompanying description, circulate via email and are also regularly posted to blogs and online forums. According to the description, the photos were found in a Kodak Box brownie camera left in a foot locker. The message claims that pictures were taken by an unnamed sailor serving on the USS QUAPAW ATF-11O.

The photographs are genuine and certainly do show the Pearl Harbor attack. However, the claims in the email's description are false. They were not found in one old box brownie camera as stated in the message, nor were they taken by a sailor on the USS QUAPAW. In fact, the images are US Naval archive photographs taken by different people at various locations around Pearl Harbour at the time of the attack. The photographs form part of the historical image collection available on the Naval Historical Center website.

To take all of these photographs, the brownie-wielding sailor would have needed to possess the uncanny ability to take pictures from several vantage points around the harbor at almost the same time. Some earlier versions of the email included high aerial shots of the harbour as well. The aerial shots are omitted in this version, possibly because their inclusion too clearly "gives the game away". The sailor could hardly have been in an aircraft as well as in several locations around the attack zone during one narrow window of time.

Moreover, the USS QUAPAW was not at Pearl Harbour in 1941. In fact, the vessel was not even launched until 1943. Her keel was laid on 28 December 1942, more than a year after the Pearl Harbor attack.

These photographs are indeed spectacular and they form an important part of the historical record. They speak for themselves and there is absolutely no need to falsely embellish them with foolish and fictional stories about their origin.


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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2010, 09:45:33 pm »

i totaly agree with you riggers,,, but the pics speak for themselves, whoever took them, its still a piece of history that the world and its navies will never forget :-))
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2010, 09:55:32 pm »

Some of those pictures are 'standards' which have appeared in many books over the years.

Colin
i have to admit colin, ive not seen any of these pics in books or mags  :-))  but i know you will correct me on that.  O0
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2010, 10:09:07 pm »

I have three of them in a couple of books and have seen several of the others in various publications but not all. The top one appears to have been taken afterwards as evidenced by the oil slicks.

They are certainly all genuine but not taken by one individual as Riggers says. You can see some of the photos on the official US Naval Historical Center site http://www.history.navy.mil/ including the top pic mentioned above.

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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2010, 03:31:23 pm »

Following the heads up warning on these prints I had a close look at them and came to the same conclusion, if I could take pics of that quality I would be delighted (regardless of the camera used).
They will not now be going over to my friend in Texas.
Thanks to all who commented on them.

(The details of the Whitney are however correct, from the horses mouth as they say - the action log for the ship can be viewed on line).
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 12:44:08 am »

The very first picture , If that was taken from the the U S S Quapaw (which I take it it could not have been) that must have been one very large mast..  %%
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Re: PEARL HARBOR
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 11:15:09 pm »

Here is the list of ships and small boats that were at Pearl Harbor on dec. 8th 1941.

Duane

 Battleships (BB)    Pennsylvania  (BB-38) (in Dry Dock No.1)
                   #  Arizona       (BB-39)
                      Nevada        (BB-36)
                   #  Oklahoma      (BB-37)
                      Tennessee     (BB-43)
                   #  California    (BB-44)
                      Maryland      (BB-46)
                   #  West Virginia (BB-48)

Heavy Cruisers (CA) New Orleans   (CA-32)
                San Francisco (CA-38)

Light Cruisers (CL) Raleigh       (CL-7)
                      Detroit       (CL-8)
                      Phoenix       (CL-46)
                      Honolulu      (CL-48)
                      St. Louis     (CL-49)
                      Helena        (CL-50)

Destroyers (DD)     Allen         (DD-66)
                      Schley        (DD-103)
                      Chew          (DD-106)
                    * Ward          (DD-139) (patrolling Channel entrance to Pearl Harbor)
                      Dewey         (DD-349)
                      Farragut      (DD-348)
                      Hull          (DD-350)
                      MacDonough    (DD-351)
                      Worden        (DD-352)
                      Dale          (DD-353)
                      Monaghan      (DD-354)  (preparing to get underway to aid Ward)
                      Aylwin        (DD-355)
                      Selfridge     (DD-357)
                      Phelps        (DD-360)
                      Cummings      (DD-365)
                      Reid          (DD-369)
                      Case          (DD-370)
                      Conyngham     (DD-371)
                      Cassin        (DD-372) (in Dry Dock No.1)
                      Shaw          (DD-373) (in floating drydock YFD 2)
                      Tucker        (DD-374)
                      Downes        (DD-375) (in Dry Dock No.1)
                      Bagley        (DD-386)
                      Blue          (DD-387)
                      Helm          (DD-388)  (underway, nearing West Loch)
                      Mugford       (DD-389)
                      Ralph Talbot  (DD-390)
                      Henley        (DD-391)
                      Patterson     (DD-392)
                      Jarvis        (DD-393)

Submarines (SS)     Narwhal       (SS-167)
                      Dolphin       (SS-169)
                      Cachalot      (SS-170)
                      Tautog        (SS-199)

Minelayer (CM)    # Oglala        (CM-4)

Minesweepers (AM)   Turkey        (AM-13)
                      Bobolink      (AM-20)
                      Rail          (AM-26)
                      Tern          (AM-31)
                      Grebe         (AM-43)
                      Vireo         (AM-52)

Coastal Minesweepers (AMc)
                      Cockatoo      (AMc-8)
                      Crossbill     (AMc-9)
                      Condor        (AMc-14)
                      Reedbird      (AMc-30)

Light Minelayers (DM)
                      Gamble        (DM-15)
                      Ramsay        (DM-16)
                      Montgomery    (DM-17)
                      Breese        (DM-18)
                      Tracy         (DM-19)
                      Preble        (DM-20)
                      Sicard        (DM-21)
                      Pruitt        (DM-22)

High Speed Minesweepers (DMS)
                      Zane          (DMS-14)
                      Wasmuth       (DMS-15)
                      Trever        (DMS-16)
                      Perry         (DMS-17)

Gunboat (PG)         Sacramento    (PG-19)
 
Destroyer Tenders (AD)
         Dobbin        (AD-3)
                      Whitney       (AD-4)

 Seaplane Tenders (AV) Curtiss      (AV-4)
                      Tangier       (AV-8)

 Seaplane Tenders (Small) (AVP)
                      Avocet        (AVP-4)
                      Swan          (AVP-7) (on Marine Railway)

 Seaplane Tenders (Destroyer) (AVD)
                      Hulbert       (AVD-6)
                      Thornton      (AVD-11)

 Ammunition Ship (AE) Pyro          (AE-1) (at Naval Ammunition Depot, West Loch)

 Oilers (AO)          Ramapo        (AO-12)
                      Neosho        (AO-23)

 Repair Ships (AR)
                      Medusa        (AR-1)
                      Vestal        (AR-4)

 Base Repair Ship (ARb)
                      Rigel         (ARb-1)
                     
 Submarine Tender (AS)
                     Pelias         (AS-14)

 Submarine Rescue Ship (ASR)
         Widgeon        (ASR-1)

 Hospital Ship (AH)  Solace         (AH-5)

 Cargo Ship (AK)    * Vega          (AK-17) (at Honolulu) 

 General-Stores-Issue Ships (AKS)
                      Castor        (AKS-1)
                    * Antares       (AKS-3) (at Pearl Harbor entrance)

Ocean-going Tugs (AT)     
                      Ontario       (AT-13)
                      Sunnadin     (AT-28)
                    * Keosanqua  (AT-38) (at Pearl Harbor entrance)
                    * Navajo        (AT-64) (12 miles outside Pearl Harbor entrance)
 
Miscellaneous Auxiliaries (AG)
                    # Utah          (AG-16)
                      Argonne       (AG-31)
                      Sumner        (AG-32)

 Motor Torpedo Boats (PT)
         PT-20
         PT 21
         PT 22
         PT 23
         PT 24
         PT 25
              PT 26 (on pier, Navy Yard)
         PT-27 (on board Ramapo)
         PT 28  (on pier, Navy Yard)     
         PT 29 (on board Ramapo)   
         PT 30 (on board Ramapo)
         PT 42 (on board Ramapo)


  District Craft

  Harbor Tugs (YT)
         YT 5
         Sotoyomo (YT 9) (in YFD 2 with Shaw)
         YT 119
         Osceola (YT 129)
         YT 130
         YT 142
         Hoga (YT 146)
         YT 152
         YT 153 (underway in channel)

 Motor Tug (YMT)
         YMT 5
 
 Torpedo Testing Barge (YTT)
         YTT 3

 Net Tenders (YN)
         Ash (YN 2)
         Cinchona (YN 7)
         Cockenoe (YN 47) (Honolulu Harbor)
         Marin (YN 53)
         Wapello (YN 56)

 District Patrol Vessel (YP)
         YP 109


 Floating Drydock (YFD)
            YFD 2 (with Shaw and Sotoyomo docked)

 Salvage Pontoons (YSP)
                    YSP 11
                    YSP 12
                    YSP 13
       YSP 14
       YSP 15
       YSP 16
       YSP 17
       YSP 18
       YSP 19
        YSP 20

 Floating Workshops (YR)
                     YR 20     
                     YR 22 (alongside Cachalot)

 Miscellaneous (Unclassified) (IX)
                    Cheng Ho (IX 52)

Gate Vessel (YNg) YNg 17
 
 Garbage Lighters (YG)
                       YG 15
                       YG 17
                       YG 21

Ferryboat (YFB) Nihoa (YFB 19)
 
Fuel Oil Barges (YO)
                       YO 30
                       YO 43
                       YO 44

Seaplane Wrecking Derrick (YSD) YSD 9
                      Hulk
                      Ex-Baltimore (CM 1)

 Covered Lighters (YF)
                     YF 240
                     YF 241

 Open Lighters (YC)
                    YC 429
                    YC 470
                    YC 473
                    YC 477
                    YC 651
                    YC 699

 Pontoon Storage Barges (YPK)
                   YPK-2
                   YPK-3

Submarine Rescue Chamber (YRC) YRC 5
                  Ash Lighter    (YA) YA 66

Water Barge    (YW)  YW 10
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