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wartoy

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Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« on: January 10, 2007, 05:52:11 PM »

I have built RC planes, subs, and ships for a number of years.  The ship, by the way was a Perry class frigate from BaD models so I am accustomed to planking hulls. 

ANYWAY, I am interested in building a sailing ship like the USS Alabama, Constitution, something like that for RC.  I know I could probably just make one of the Revel kits and stick a motor in it.  I would like to build one what doesn't require a motor, working sails and what not.

Everything I have is 1/96 scale and would like to stay in that range.  Of course if I have to deviate then so be it.  My USS Razorback is 1/72 for example.

Any and all recommendations are appreciated.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Gorden

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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2007, 04:24:56 PM »

Gorden

I'm amazed.....68 reads and not one reply. If it wasn't for the help I recieved as a consequence of a post on here, I would have stuggled to get as far as I have with my first sail project a Y2K (although it hasn't yet got it's backside wet, see earlier threads).

I'm not good with scales. I usually if its one of my own efforts (normally electric semi scale) work up/down the sizes to get the proportions right and hope it all works out at the end of the day. I think the lack of response is down to one of two things, (1) either the scale you mentioned is a bit? small for a scale sail model of this type ( I know there are some small sail models that go very well, but the USS Alabama?) or (2) a fear of having your input ridiculed by a core membership, I know this put me off and I suspect a few others as the folks I recieved help from have stopped posting.

One guy I can recommend (I have no connection whatsoever apart from buying a hull from him, is Mike Mayhew in Clevedon). Don't e-mail or post, he's old school, drop in if you're passing or give him a call, he's a mine of information if you want to build scale sail or anything else for that matter, and he'll probably give you other contacts as well.

Good luck with your project, and please post updates if you do get this project off the ground as I for one would be interested. I rarely post these days, but I do check for interesting threads.

John C
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2007, 06:12:01 PM »

Gorden you do realize that a 1: 96 model of the USS Constitution would only be 21 7/8" x 5 3/8" her actual size being 175' x  43'6"

Richard ;)

PS  John  C is right a few months ago you would have received lots of replies to your posting.
The Forum seems to have gone very quiet of late, it seems to have lost something.
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2007, 09:24:19 PM »

I unaccountably missed the original post (I put it down to age). I expect that the reason you have not had any input is that scale sail is a pretty limited specialisation and the 68 readers were not in a position to assist. I have some plans for a clipper, bought in the seventies, but have never progressed further.

Traplet have two books on the subject go to their on-line shop via http://www.marinemodelmagazine.com/ you might find them useful.

HTH

Doug
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2007, 09:31:30 AM »

Hi I tried to reply but I have had real probs with internet lately.

You will need to add a sailing keel , with keel bulb to stop it just rolling over.

Unless the boat is very big it is hard to use standard ballasting methods, and the keel bulb is much easier option.

Most of the scale models are schooners or cutters (triangular sails) rather than tall ships (square riggers) as these are easier to sail.

Even if you are just going to motorize one you probably will need to add a deep keel and keel bulb.
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2007, 10:00:26 AM »

I built the Sir Winston Churchill in 1/96 scale,a 3 mast schooner and it is too small for r/c. I would say you would have to go for 1/20 scale to build the kind of thing you want.

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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 01:20:37 PM »

Gorden

I received a copy of "Historical Sailing Ships remote controlled" from my kids for Christmas bought from Traplet as per DOUG'S link . A good read lots of technical stuff, rigging, sails, keel & rudder sizing.

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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 02:21:42 PM »

OK, sounds good. Thanks for all the replies!  First lesson learned is 1/96 is too small due to stability issues.  Second item learned is vocabulary.  I am looking to build a tall square rig (right?).  Now with that in mind, Is there anywhere or anybody that provides kits or plan sets to build these kind of ships?  At least instructions on how the mechanics of the sail and rudder control works for an RC ship like the USS Constitution or CSS Alabama.

I went to the web site Doug mentioned but could not find the book he mentions.  I will start doing a general search for the title.

Oh!  Nobody is going to hurt my feeling s telling me how stupid an idea like 1/96 scale sailing would be.  That is part of the learning process.  I come before the pros and experiance and I appreciate the remarks and commments.  Sometimes the ego caome across with the comment.  Thats fine too.

Keep the suggestions coming!

Thanks
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2007, 03:29:13 PM »

I cant say I have ever seen a r/c square rig model

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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2007, 04:35:21 PM »

Hi

This is a link to a very interesting build thread for a square rigger, well worth a look.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520465

HTH

Richard
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 07:07:42 PM »

Great pictures,Richard...is that an A35,in your little pic?

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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2007, 07:44:29 PM »

Hi Chromedome

Yes, it's a 1958 A35. Heavily modified for historic rallying.

My other cheap hobby !!!!

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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 10:00:23 PM »

Wartoy

Take a look at these links

https://sslrelay.com/s84068217.oneandoneshop.co.uk/sess/utn;jsessionid=1545b7d29c87244/shopdata/index.shopscript

https://sslrelay.com/s84068217.oneandoneshop.co.uk/sess/utn;jsessionid=1545b7d29c87244/shopdata/index.shopscript

These books appear to address the area you want to explore

Also Model Boats Plans service list two square riggers (at least they did in 1998)

MM1027 CSS Alabama 28inches long

MM746 Ariel (China Tea Clipper) 1:60 giving 55 inch hull

Both rated as experienced build

HTH

Doug
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 09:52:50 AM »

OK, sounds good. Thanks for all the replies!  First lesson learned is 1/96 is too small due to stability issues.  Second item learned is vocabulary.  I am looking to build a tall square rig (right?).  Now with that in mind, Is there anywhere or anybody that provides kits or plan sets to build these kind of ships?  At least instructions on how the mechanics of the sail and rudder control works for an RC ship like the USS Constitution or CSS Alabama.

I went to the web site Doug mentioned but could not find the book he mentions.  I will start doing a general search for the title.

Oh!  Nobody is going to hurt my feeling s telling me how stupid an idea like 1/96 scale sailing would be.  That is part of the learning process.  I come before the pros and experiance and I appreciate the remarks and commments.  Sometimes the ego caome across with the comment.  Thats fine too.

Keep the suggestions coming!

Thanks

http://www.traplethouse.com

There is a section on marine modelling books
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2007, 06:14:19 PM »

And as if by request............ Marine Modelling International are running a feature in the March issue of a "small but practical R/C square rigger", out 22 February.

Might have a butchers myself.

John C
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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2007, 06:21:52 PM »

Hi Wartoy, I like scale sail and I could not think of a working scale sailing boat suitable at that scale.
My last build was a kit (static converted to sailing) at 1/35 scale 42 inches long x 60 inches high and my estimate of the dispacement was 7 1/2. lbs.  Not a practical proposition.

So I put on an extra layer of 3mm. planking, and made the keel as wide as I could to give extra bouyancy.
Final displacement was 11 lbs.  Still rather tender, but goes nicely in a light breeze.

But, the built in error is only 6mm. in beam, none in side elevation but a thicker underwater keel which hardly notices.

Hope this might help, and good luck Roy

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Re: Getting a newbee started off on the right foot
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2009, 01:18:24 AM »

Well, better late than never, I hope. I"ve had success with RC square-riggers, if Wartoy is still around and wants help.
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