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SEAFORTH CONQUEROR
« on: January 11, 2007, 10:49:59 PM »

Hi ya there lads,

Whilst searching for other information on certain naval vessels - I came across a set of plans that I had stowed away for the Seaforth Conqueror - so, as normally happens  ;D you get sidetracked. So, Ive started searching the web for information about her.   Apart from a couple of sites on Google which just shows a model of her - there is no real information about her.

Any of you lads out there got any further information about her:

where is she now?
is she still in one piece?
what she doing?
or, is she a new BMW CAR
OR a SKODA

Next question for all you tug lads:

can you tell me what is a Portable Gogeye? as I noticed on the plans I have (freebies from Model boats)  - a Gogeye is drawn on the plan view - but, not on the sideview.

Can you give me a description of actually what it is and what it does - as this looks like another possible build rather than a grey - cause the information for that grey is getting more difficult to get hold of.

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Re: SEAFORTH CONQUEROR
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2007, 01:15:42 AM »

Well....if you towed straight off the hook and the job got too far off track and got alongside you a bit, theres a real danger of capsizing the tug...or 'girting' as its sometimes called.
The gog eye is length of cable with an eye on, or a fitting on deck that effectively moves the point of effort much further back, hence removing most of the capsize risk. Modern towing practice uses wahst called 'indirect towing' to use the boat itself as a sort of paravane to enhance the stated bollard pull of the tug, towing the the twoed vessel left or right of her line making much more versatile control.

The point at which shes 'gogged down' is very important as if done too far aft of the turning point of the rudders, the tug will lose some of her own steerage, a movable gog would mean that she could adjust the length of cable with gog eye on the end, giving the best of both worlds. A portable gog would would be either in position... or not!
I think Conqueror may wekk have whats called 'Karm Forks' though, these are raised up from the deck when required, or retracted when not......any help?
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2007, 10:06:28 AM »

Hiya Penguin, is the bight of rope I have seen chucked over the towing line and made fast down aft on harbour tugs a simplified 'gog' ? I never knew there was a whole new nautical vocabulary connected to towing. You never stop learning as they say.  ???

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2007, 10:41:15 AM »

Hi ya there Blazing thanks for the info on the Gogeye - that makes sense I now understand - just away to scan in some hull sections.  & locate suitable ply for frames

back later thanks

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2007, 12:35:35 PM »

Blimey...dont want to get all 'grammatical'.....

The eye on the end of the rope, or the fixed/removable eye on the aft deck is the 'gog' eye, when using this particular towing principle, the rope is said to be 'gogged down'. Gogging being a technique and all the eyes etc, the method of puttting that into practice. The term 'gog' will also vary by region to be 'gob' etc....but still all the same idea.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2007, 02:11:21 PM »

I am agog at all this new information ! (sorry)  ;D ;D

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Re: SEAFORTH CONQUEROR
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2007, 02:29:37 PM »

Hi ya there Blazing - now we have your attention  ;D can you help me with this next set of queries:

on the plans, she has several pipes, some of them are labelled CEMENT DISCHARGES what would they be carrying cement for? is it for ballast? wonder what they are for?? any clues??

do you know if she every had a 'A' frame on her stern? or any lifting device?

help is appreciated  :D

Hey MikeK - I have a message for you from Ernie - he says

"Wishing you and your family all the best - and he says he has just invested in one of these new American Radio controls - and he hasnt won the last 4 yacht races with the thing!!"

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2007, 03:10:29 PM »

I have the same plan here I think and can see both sets of discharge outlets, liquid for replenishing OIl Rig fresh water supply maybe, but as for cement...I have no idea! Cant be for ballast as you would never get it out again, and if it was for supply to something offshore it would have to be pretty slow setting stuff.

And can see no mention of any lifting frames anywhere...other pics show huge anchors on the aft deck, but these are manouvered by the winches etc....I think A frames would get in the way on the aft deck unless fitted for a particualr contract maybe?
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2007, 04:18:06 PM »

thanks there BP

do you have the model boats mag that these free plans came with?  I have just trawled through all my back copies and dont have the actual mag with the article in.  If you have, woul dyou be so kind to email me the article with photos?  If so, it would be much appreciated.     thanks again

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2007, 05:01:57 PM »

Cement was carried to stop leaks through the 'gaps' made by plate movement and tipped over the side to gently wash into the gap.

I just knew that would come in usefull one day.

The Mersey tugs and the dredgers also carried it,IN bags and Long before such drilling platforms were a dream in their daddies eyes

  [I worked for a ships chandlers/engineering company back in the 50's]

My Seaforth Conqueror has not got further than the hull, batteries sorted shafts in, won't take but a few evenings [will it]?

a job for next year perhaps? (house move getting all my attention at the present!
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2007, 05:47:18 PM »

The seaforth conqueror was operated by SBSL try here http://www.seaforth-maritime.com/ or try info@seaforth-maritime.com

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2007, 06:34:16 PM »

Hiya John
Thanks for the message from Ernie, please return the greetings. As for the new American radio, he should know by now it's the bloke twiddling the leavers that counts  ;D ;D
That thing about cement, I worked for Wimpeys drilling ships for a while and they carried special cement for sealing up the drill holes in the seabed when we were checking out the NCB coal seams under the North Sea (Remember when we had coal mines ??) and I think the rig boats  have special tanks for it, no doubt some member of the forum will know.

Gaan cannie marra

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2007, 09:42:49 PM »

Hello all, Cement tanks are used to carry supplies of bulk dry powder out to drilling rigs for use in drilling operations. Most commonly carried is what is known as drilling "mud" a viscous powder of Barytes which allows the drill bit to operate in the seabed. Now it gets all technical and I've come to my limitations of knowledge. I generally go dumb when my mate a Directional Drilling Control Engineer starts telling me about how far off tangentially he's sent a drill bit and at what depths he then change direction. Useless pub stuff interrupts the drinking of whisky  ;D

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Re: SEAFORTH CONQUEROR
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2007, 10:04:32 PM »

Think I do have the magazine, nota lot in it as i remember....will get back to you ASAP!
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2007, 09:08:48 AM »

That Wimpey job only scratched the sea bed compared to the big rigs. You mentioning your DDE pal bringing a haze over your eyes, Jim. reminded me of the kinky little magnetic compass the lads used to use to check if the hole was wandering off the vertical. It was a brass gimbaled affair a few inches long that you lowered down the drill string and somehow triggered it at the bottom so the compass locked giving the angle off vertical and which direction the drill was wandering - magic !!  :o :o

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2007, 11:20:26 AM »

Hi all,

To refer back to the cement discharge tanks - they must have been a specialised holding tanks and very well sealed to keep the contents (cement) dry in the conditions that these boats work in. Ya learn something every day.

Hi Blazing P look forward to hearing from you and hope you have article.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2007, 01:43:24 PM »

Thats that snookered....plan on PC is for Seaforth Conqueror, plans with magazine are for Pacific Bucaneer, magazine supplies pt 2 so theres nothing there other than then 2nd part of the plan...sorry!

On the other hand...I 'DO' have a hull/plans and a CD Rom with all  relevant details of original vessel MV Grampian Pride if your interested?
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2007, 05:26:02 PM »



Hi all

BP thank you for your time and effort - but, as you can see I have already started cutting the frames out for the model.  Thank you once again though for your time and effort for which I am very grateful.  I will need to seek out photograps of winches and various other deck fittings similar to the ones which she carried.  Any ideas where I can locate any good websites/books etc., for some more information.

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2007, 08:03:32 PM »

hi john, while in scotland on one of my shooting trips i took some close up pics of her in aberdeen alongside the clansman, and in montrose a few years ago, do you want them scanned and emailed to you, and im sure the word  GOGEYE is when yr pi**ed on that whiskey you consume,,,  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2007, 08:45:43 PM »

Seaforth Conqueror was an early type oil rig supply vessel, don't know if any of her type are working now, technology has advanced so much and they would be at least 20 years old now. The Seaforth conqueror went aground in 1986, don't know if she was refloated.
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http://www.caister-lifeboat.org.uk/shirley.htm

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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2007, 04:44:25 PM »

Hi Brian C - have sent you a PM - and I would be grateful for pics.

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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2007, 02:38:58 PM »




Hi all, Just to let you see progress so far - finished the planking and skinning with fibre glass - quick rub down on the outside and as always, impatience, Ive lifted it off the building board.  Next stage is to make a building stand for her, so I can resin the inside and then commence on the internal fittings.

I may have a go at making my own bow thruster - anyone have any ideas about this?  I noticed there was a topic started by someone, but there were no 'takers' on it.

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2007, 05:33:06 PM »

Bluethingy,

Could you use 2 car washer pumps but knowing your luck a hose would come off and you would flood the hull or look at www.hpcgears.com part number ZEB0.5-16 bevel gears and make your own thruster. The gears are 1:1 OD of 8.7mm and cost 71p. Look at this link and see if you could construct a similar gearbox http://www.lifeboatmodels.co.uk/atlantic.htm but mounted in the middle of the tube.

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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2007, 05:48:17 PM »

Hi all,
Just a silly thought.
Could the name of the boat be being miss read. If this a foreign vessel, you know Scottish or something.
Could it be translated into english (please note correct use of capital letters) 

                                         SEAFORTH CONCREATER   

Bob   ;D

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2007, 07:32:29 PM »

HEY there Rigthingy (he who never builds nowt)  :D aye canny web sites mate - I like the outboard motor - food for thought that.

BobF - Aye now there is a thought  :D so when you getting your mobile phone disconnected in case the wee Scots come after ya in their wee SEAFIRTH CONCREATER Kilties Och aye man the noo  ;D

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