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Containership MSC Napoli
« on: January 19, 2007, 09:15:49 pm »

Broke her back, now being towed to Lyme Bay.

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www.premar-atlantique.gouv.fr/galeries/MSC-Napoli/07LVC017NC

The operation to salvage the vessel has now started and the ship may be towed to Lyme Bay.

After discussions between the French Authorities and the UKs Secretary of States representative Robin Middleton and salvors, the decision was taken to tow the vessel to a position in Lyme Bay as the preferred destination where a salvage operation can take place in relative safety.

The Abeilles Bourbon from France is towing the vessel and the MCA Tug, Anglian Princess is escorting the tow.

Smit International, the contracted salvors are mobilising maritime salvage equipment from Holland to Lyme Bay.

The vessel is carrying 2,394 containers; only a small proportion of the cargo is classed as hazardous according to the International Maritime Dangerous Goods Code. These products consist of some retail perfumes, industrial and agricultural chemicals. This is a typical loading pattern for this type of ship.

Robin Middleton, Secretary of States Representative for Salvage and Intervention and leading the MCA Salvage Response Unit said

I have been working closely with the French Government and the salvors to carry out a risk assessment of the various options available to us.

The most favorable option is to tow the vessel to a sheltered location where the salvage operation to remove the containers or make out temporary repairs can be carried out.

The Maritime and Coastguard Agency Counter Pollution and Response branch will be working with the Salvage Consortium and other agencies to minimise any risk of pollution or damage to the environment.

The Marine Accident Investigation Branch is investigating this incident as the vessel is registered within the UK.




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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2007, 09:54:09 pm »

The Napoli apparently run onto a reef in the far east in 2001 when she was called the CMA CGM Normandie. Got stuck there for 60 days before being salvaged. Her engineroom was damaged and flooded and she was towed to Vietnam for repairs. Considering she has had a failure in the very same area of hull that was damaged in the grounding it looks to me that the repairs were not of high enough strength and quality.

You get the work you pay for I guess !!!

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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2007, 10:39:12 pm »

could the fact that she ran aground before, damaging her hull be a factor in her keel breaking in the storms?
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2007, 10:54:07 pm »

I didn't know that, but I bet they will have a b****y good look at the repair. vIt must be a factor, there is also heavy loading aft , with all those containers and the accomadation housing.
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2007, 09:13:36 am »

I bet Smit International will be sending the Old Man a calender this year  ::) ::)
I didn't know MSC had ships under the red ensign, or was that a slip of our knowledgeable news media ??
Wasn't the list of nationalities on board a sad joke ? Unless you happen to be in the same situation on your ship of course !

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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 01:10:51 pm »

https://exchange.dnv.com/Exchange/Main.aspx?EXTool=Vessel&VesselID=24568 <---m/v MSC Napoli is definately british flag.

this https://exchange.dnv.com/exchange/main.aspx lists a lot of british flagged ships

so at least we still have some ships out there that are uk registered
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2007, 05:19:51 pm »

Thanks for that Ghost, all the MSC ships I used to see were usually Italian flagged, of course she may have been using the uk as a flag of convenience - perish the thought  ;D ;D

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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 07:16:20 pm »

On one of the shipping websites I use they say that MSC stands for "More S*** Coming" !!!!!

Seems the ships are run to the bare minimum of maintenance if that rumour is right !!!

She's been deliberately ran ashore to try and stop her breaking up in the gale force winds right now , I think the coastguards taken the view that as a ship this one is finished and they're just trying to prevent pollution and trying to save the cargo.

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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2007, 11:45:14 pm »

well if more S*** coming is true, with the ship holed, that may be a very real problem, lets hope her diesel bunkers dont rupture
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2007, 09:31:04 am »

A big cargo ship like that will almost certainly be using a high density IFO 380 fuel and could well be carrying a couple of thousand tons of the stuff.  This is basically the crap that is left after all the good stuff has been taken out of the crude so even more difficult to deal with, especially as the SG will be very close to 1 so the stuff will not even want to float very readily.

It could be an environmental disaster of the tanks rupture.

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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2007, 01:36:59 pm »

Its usually top priority getting bunkers off, And a ship would usually be anchored off until bunkers are removed, but I think this one is too far gone. Trinity House  Vessel Patricia on her way to lay buoys for a 500m exclusion zone. The bunkers will be a sod to pump off because they will be cold.
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2007, 01:41:54 pm »

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-press-releases?id=7E93C1785D5C985C&m=1&y=2007

Black Rock, Crescent Shgipping tanker will take bunkers off.
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2007, 05:55:11 pm »

It will indeed be very difficult to pump.  Fuel of that quality should be at 40 deg C just to pump it and those tanks will be stone cold by now
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2007, 06:10:13 pm »

isnt the fuel heated in the tanks to something like 120c just to get it to burn in the engines?
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2007, 07:35:51 pm »

Normaslly yes, but she has had no power for 3 days now.
I used to skipper a bunkering tanker and we had steam coils to keep the cargo pumpable.
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2007, 10:23:37 pm »

Just seen on the 10pm news ship is breaking up containers washed up on the beaches oil spilt into the sea all the greenies will now be wetting themselves,allong the lines of oh what an ecological disaster,we said it would happen,wouldnt happen if they went by railroad etc sados or what
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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2007, 10:45:37 pm »

This was her this morning


and this is another MSC ship that broke in half just forrard of the Bridge ( MSC Carla seen Docking under tow at Las Palmas after breaking in two near Azores in November 1997 , the bow section sank just off Madeira whilst under tow to Gijon )



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Re: Containership MSC Napoli
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2007, 11:03:36 pm »

that ship that broke in 2, i wander how the captain explained it to his boss
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2007, 08:25:15 am »

I wonder if, without thinking, the Old Man sent Harry Tate forr'd to drop the hook next morning  ;D ;D

Davie Tait, you could maybe make a couple of bob with the BBC as your information on here is about two days ahead of theirs ie you told us about the first grounding ages before they mentioned it and there must be a story in MSC cornering the market in snapped box boats  ;D ;D

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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2007, 11:11:21 am »

isnt the fuel heated in the tanks to something like 120c just to get it to burn in the engines?

If it is IFO 380, which I would expect it to be, depending on it's viscosity you could be heating it to anything between 120 to 145 degrees C before it goes into the engines.  Pumping temp is usually quoted as 45 deg C.
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2007, 11:19:22 am »

I didn't know anything until I had an Email from some of the guys on another shipping website I contribute to lol.

As for the BBC well they have used around 20 of my Fishing Boat photo's over the last 6 years Brothers BF138 this photo raised 200 for the RNLI as it was used in a lot of the print media too , Harvester PD , Rosemount PD313 , Border Heather , tanker , Arcana BF533 , Sovereign BF380 , Zenith BF106 , Progress FR103 , Audacous BF83 and quite a few more.

I donate any money to the RNLI.

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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2007, 01:27:23 pm »

Re the MSC Carla, you would have thought they wopuld take two halves to the same place so they could rejoin them!!!  Matbe they made two ships from one, new front for one new back for 'tuther'!!! (t'other!!)
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2007, 01:31:56 pm »

News reporters make me laugh, one was out in a 30foot boat "barely equipped for this sort of weather", there is no way I would go out in a boat barely equipped, mine have to be VERY EQUIPPED!!, another report said 2,250 containers could be washed off into the sea, they forget 2/3rds are below decks, how will they get washed off!! Police are warning of dangerous cargo to frighten the looters away!! I agree some is hazardous.
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2007, 01:42:56 pm »

News reporters make me laugh, one was out in a 30foot boat "barely equipped for this sort of weather", there is no way I would go out in a boat barely equipped, mine have to be VERY EQUIPPED!!, another report said 2,250 containers could be washed off into the sea, they forget 2/3rds are below decks, how will they get washed off!! Police are warning of dangerous cargo to frighten the looters away!! I agree some is hazardous.
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Couldn't agree more about the reporter in the 'barely equipped for this sort of weather' boat, but that's probably a 'behind the newsdesk' viewpoint, the professional seafarers involved almost certainly had a very different opinion. Police have cordoned off the beach to try to stop looters, though apparently quite a lot of stuff has been spirited away already. One group are reported to have salvaged at least one new and almost undamaged BMW motorbike. Some news reports claimed that the ship was carrying a cargo of 'sulphuric acid and other deadly chemicals' but now it's being said that only one or two of the 2000+ containers had stuff like that inside them. It's always the same, something appears in the media that you have some knowledge of, and they almost always get it badly wrong, which makes me wonder about all the rest of the 'news'.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2007, 02:32:10 pm »

The more hazardous containers will have been deck stow by law, with the less dangerous stuff below decks - as per instructions in the haz. 'blue books' so I suppose the coppers are right scaring people off. In the old days of Cornish wreckers the most hazardous cargo was likely to be brandy  ;D ;D not like the weird and wonderful rubbish we need to live nowadays  :( :(

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