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RaaArtyGunner

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What impact on boating if any ?
« on: October 11, 2010, 02:37:37 am »

FAA issues fire warning for lithium batteries
 * By Joan Lowy in Washington
  * From: AP
  * October 11, 2010 7:42AM

US federal aviation officials have urged air carriers to voluntarily take steps to reduce the risk of cargo fires caused by overheated lithium batteries, an indication of regulators' growing concern about the threat posed by air transport of the batteries.

The warning follows last month's crash of a United Parcel Service plane in Dubai that killed both pilots.

The Federal Aviation Administration acknowledged publicly for the first time in Friday's safety directive that the Boeing 747-400 was carrying a large quantity of lithium batteries. Smoke from a fire in the plane's main cabin, which was used for cargo, was so thick that the pilots told air traffic controllers they couldn't see their instruments as they struggled to land the plane.

Dubai authorities are leading an investigation of the accident with assistance from the National Transportation Safety Board and FAA. The cause of the crash hasn't yet been determined.

The safety directive urges air carriers to ask shippers to identify bulk battery shipments in shipping documents. It also recommends stowing battery shipments in cargo compartments in the belly of planes, where there are halon gas fire suppression systems. There are no fire suppression systems required in the main cabins of cargo or passenger planes.

Since the early 1990s, there have been dozens of incidents of batteries igniting in flight or during cargo handling. But exactly what triggered many of the fires is not well understood.

The FAA's safety directive said that recent research conducted by its scientists shows that when batteries are exposed to high temperatures they have the potential to create "thermal runaway", a chain reaction leading to self-heating and the release of a battery's stored energy.

A cargo compartment fire can be hot enough to ignite batteries even if they aren't involved the initial fire, "creating a risk of a catastrophic event," the safety directive said. Once one battery experiences thermal runaway, it generates enough heat to trigger thermal runaway in other nearby batteries. Lithium metal batteries - the kind normally used in watches and cameras, for example - can create explosions forceful enough to damage cargo compartments.

FAA tests of as few as six loose lithium metal batteries stored in steel containers found that when exposed to heat they created enough explosive force to blow the lids off the containers, the directive said.

"There are currently no approved and tested containers that can sufficiently contain the known effects of accidental lithium metal battery ignition," the safety directive said. "Common metal shipping containers, pails and drums are not designed to withstand a lithium metal cell fire."

FAA officials declined to identify at what temperatures the batteries experienced thermal runaway or exploded.

The halon fire suppression systems used in the lower cargo compartments of passenger and cargo planes aren't able to put out fires caused by lithium metal batteries. However, the systems can extinguish fires caused by lithium ion batteries, which are rechargeable batteries similar to the kind used in many mobile phones and laptop computers.

Lithium ion batteries are also flammable and capable of self-igniting. They can generate temperatures very close to the melting point of aluminum, which is what the exterior of airplanes are typically made of, the safety directive said.

John Cox, an aviation safety consultant and former airline pilot, said the safety directive indicates it is even easier for lithium battery fires to spread than was previously known.

The Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration proposed new regulations in January that would require lithium batteries be treated as hazardous cargo. Battery shipments would have to have special packaging and workers who ship them would have to receive special training. There would also have to be special labeling and pilots would have to told that their cargo contained lithium batteries.

The regulations, which have not yet been made final, have been strongly opposed by the electronics industry, battery makers and some cargo carriers, including UPS. Industry officials have estimated the cost of the proposed regulations at over $US1 billion a year.
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Re: What impact on boating if any ?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2010, 09:15:29 am »

None I suspect as all mobile phones and cameras, laptops, Ipods etc have these batteries.

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Re: What impact on boating if any ?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2010, 09:31:09 am »

None, as the FAA is not shepherding private model boating (pheww!).

Actually, these guys are not properly informed. There ARE materials which will withstand a Lithium powered fire: fire clays (sometimes called Chamotte). Which is your material of choice if you want to keep your LiPo and other Lixx packs safe while charging them.

Besides, if you want any battery of noteworthy capacity go "whoosh", you just need to short the terminals. No run-of-the-mill-devices will ever be completely safe against mis-handling, because: make it idiot-proof and someone will invent a better idiot.
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Re: What impact on boating if any ?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2010, 10:00:40 am »

It does say BULK shippers, which means that passenger luggage is not included.  If the airlines denied flight to everybody who had a cellphone/laptop/camera they simply wouldn't have any customers left.
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Re: What impact on boating if any ?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2010, 10:09:52 am »

It has affected the shipping of Li-po batteries (even though they are not implicated in that incident), Hobby king have opened warehouses in Europe , USA and Australia and are shipping by sea? there was a period where it was taking 6-8 weeks to get an order while the post sorted themselves out.

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