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Oops...
« on: October 22, 2010, 01:07:19 pm »

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Re: Oops...
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2010, 01:28:24 pm »

 Red Oktober not involved. :-X   Signal reads "it wisnae me" msg ends.
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2010, 01:57:09 pm »

That's got to be seriously embarassing for those responsible. :embarrassed: Hope the damage isn't stopped out af his/her wages, take a while to pay that back!  %) At least nobody hurt, that's the main thing, Dave.
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2010, 02:41:26 pm »

I think someone`s pride will be hurt, then the kicking he/she will get from their Lords of the Admiralty {-)
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2010, 02:48:52 pm »

Well, it's one way to reduce the RN manpower level. I don't think that the RN runs a "3 strike and you're out" system. Perhaps the CO will be offered a Minesweeper, but I doubt he'll be charge of a Nuke again. BY.
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2010, 02:52:06 pm »


They said on the radio that the drive Reactor had been shut down and it was running on the auxiliary diesels... do the diesels have enough  'grunt'  to drive the propeller?

PS. They are always warning motorist not to fully trust those Sat Nav's!
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pugwash

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Re: Oops...
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2010, 02:52:55 pm »

Unless it was an unforeseen equipment failure, its usually the case of the C.O. Navigating officer and Officer of the watch being
dismissed the ship which usually means no further advancement in the service and no more commands for the Captain.
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pugwash

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Re: Oops...
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 02:55:14 pm »

The big problem with the reactor is the cooling water - big tides up there and if she is left high and dry as the tide drops
they could have problems.
Geoff
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 03:13:21 pm »

pugwash,
The larger Faslane tugs have large pumps and connections just for this contingency.
The reactor should be on "stand by" therefore reducing severely the cooling water required to a self sustainable level plus a safety margin.

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wbeedie

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Re: Oops...
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 03:21:16 pm »

The CG Tug (which is one of 4 to be mothballed ) is on hand but they were training to put forces ashore probably at Ashaig air strip which seems to be a favourite of of the RN and the RM
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 04:26:09 pm »

The big problem with the reactor is the cooling water - big tides up there and if she is left high and dry as the tide drops
they could have problems.
Geoff
Aye Geoff big tides this weekend just as well this happened today and not Monday as the height begins to drop then , she could of been there for a while dont suppose you are the same Geoff from Amble that is on trawlerphotos
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 04:34:38 pm »

Aye Geoff big tides this weekend just as well this happened today and not Monday as the height begins to drop then , she could of been there for a while dont suppose you are the same Geoff from Amble that is on trawlerphotos
Not to diverse to far from the topic in hand,...where,s ma black pud??? ya greedy b****r {-) {-)...i,ve got a full length one coming next week,...who.knows i might be able to send you some, {-)


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Re: Oops...
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 04:48:49 pm »

Sorry wbeedie not me;
the other Geoff
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 06:17:58 pm »

Just on the news that they've managed to get her off the beach , guess the skipper/officer of the watch and the nav officer will be driving desks from now on
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 06:30:30 pm »

Shades of Nottingham on Lord Howe Island (or rather 'rock'!)

Time for the old swords to be pointing at the string of command methinks.
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2010, 12:00:39 pm »

When Traffie moved Skye they obviously didn't update the charts.

  Regards  Ian.
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wbeedie

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Re: Oops...
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2010, 05:19:32 pm »

Its not as if you could miss it with all the wee hills at the south end where the hit , still shouldnt have been inside the Navigation bouys though
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2010, 01:30:27 pm »

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Its not as if you could miss it

  They didn't.   :embarrassed:

  Regards  Ian.
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2010, 08:58:50 pm »

They say the charts were old and out of date, Navy cutbacks then several Billion on a sub and save a few quid on the charts
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2010, 09:20:30 pm »

A few quid for a fishfinder from Maplins and save a million in repairs, court martial, pension etc etc. >>:-(
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2010, 10:06:54 pm »

Reference "charts".....modern RN and RFA ships do not use paper charts as us of another generation did.
In those days the Navigators life was almost totally consumed by the chore of doing the myriad of "chart corrections" by hand and with a "mapping pen".
Then the great revolution came, and "corrections" came printed on little squares of tracing paper. Still had to use a tiny pen, although locating where the correction was to be made was much easier.
Considering that a "Full World Wide Folio" of charts can run into well over 5,000 charts...start to see a problem? An instance....a small change to a chart off the Tyne. The correction will have to be done on the main North Sea Chart, then also on the chart showing just the NE Coast, then again on the chart showing the "approaches" to the Tyne. In some cases this single correction would have to be done on perhaps 8 different charts.
    Look....this is too large a subject to cover in a simple answer, I could write an essay on this subject ( which could be a bit of an eye-opener" to some).
But nowadays the charts are "electronic", and are corrected by simply downloading the new issues.
I refuse to believe that such a system is not used on our latest submarines. "Updates" are automatic. No excuse, no drama.
.......If you want such an essay from me, just plead a little!  BY.
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2010, 10:32:08 pm »

Surely they have an "altimetre" electronic device on at all times when in shallow(er) water, a depth-finder/fish-finder ?  They can put a 600mph Tomahawk to with a metre or two over a thousand miles away yet they cant see a shallow bit under the ship ?  Your best guess, in laymans terms ?
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pugwash

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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2010, 10:59:17 pm »

all warships have an echo-sounder - in fact probably most ships do I even had one on my yacht, but someone has to be
either watching it or listening for a shallow depth alarm for them to be any use

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2010, 11:13:15 pm »

All these corrections to be made on charts should be irrelevent , its a run up to the shore base for the Rassay range , the navy and Qinetic should have all the latest data , the fact is he is outside the fairway and on the wrong side of the cans while being above water , its poor watch keeping,and extremely poor use of electronic aids that will be the norm on all surface vessels , you might understand it if he was running submerged but the channel  is well marked but can be hazardous with the tide than runs from the narrows at Kylerhea all the way upto the bridge and with the full moon the tides would have been racing so alterations should have been made, have made the same run on numerous occasions and its easy enough ,, the Astute had moored in the area on more than one occasion so should have known where to go
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Re: Oops...
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2010, 12:00:56 am »

According to the Sunday Times they were carrying out a boat transfer dropping ashore tech staff just to the west of the buoyed channel
when she was allowed to drift astern during the transfer then (THEY SAY) the helmsman lost control and she continued astern on to a
sand and shingle bank.  It goes on to say they have been having problems adjusting to the new type of steering/control compared
to other subs. Thats even more reason to stay in deeper water.
Geoff
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