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Re: British S Class
« Reply #125 on: September 07, 2012, 09:32:01 pm »

Hi Tom,

Do u want me to email u the 3 build info of kens?

Looking at 1 of the pic's otw place battery beneath and modul sits very high as a result,
Perhaps that why the ballast tank is the size it is.

Anyone else want the S class build pm me.

Regards

Adam
Hi Batfish thank you for the offer I do have the complete build of Kens sub and Darrin's, it can still be seen on the Sub committee forum very good build excellent sub.

Hi Salmon, thank you again just not getting the time to work on it at the moment. Yeah want to get it in the water. Cheers Tom
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #126 on: September 13, 2012, 01:19:55 pm »

Hello, been messing about with the WTC put it together and thought I would try it in the sink, and you guessed it... it leaks like a sieve I just laughed DOH! I know where its coming in the rods, the O rings I have for these are to small so are being deformed when I tighten them up so larger ones ordered and will see how that goes. My wife is going to see family in Newcastle next week so I should be able to do lots more building, hopefully complete it ready for priming. Cheers Tom





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Re: British S Class
« Reply #127 on: September 13, 2012, 02:31:49 pm »

It's all right for you Tomp, My missus would drag me up there with her!!! Enjoy your weekend, happy play time :-))
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #128 on: September 13, 2012, 09:17:01 pm »

I think it's preferable to run the rods externally (like Sheerline), if you have enough enough clearance, removes many potential sources of leaks, and frees up space for equipment. If there is no alternative but to run the rods inside the cylinder,flat rubber washers are a lot more robust. You can cut some out of an old car or bicycle inner tube, other alternatives include tap washers etc.

Looks like you're using normal nuts with free washers. the nuts should be capped type with washers soldered on- the underside of the nuts is not flat enough and cuts the seal resulting in leaks. Brass dome nuts are readily available and cheap, and are easy to solder washers onto- soft soldering is quite adequate strength wise. With ordinary nuts, water tends to work it's way along the thread, and past the seal, via capilliary reaction (water pressure also helps).

To test the cylinder, consider installing a schraeder  valve (tyre valve) in one endcap. Give it a few shots of air with a bicycle pump, and leave it for a few hours. If the pressure remains after that time, you can be fairly confident that you have a watertight cylinder. Some leaks can occur under vacuum conditions, and will fail to reveal themselves under a pressure test. However, as you're using a ballast system which pressurizes the cylinder by a few PSI, and is also vented when on the shore, it's highly unlikely you'll ever see this situation arise.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #129 on: September 14, 2012, 09:25:32 am »

Hi Subculture, Yeah I wanted to run them externally but it would have raised the WTC which wasn’t an option as then the top wouldn't go on. Bike inner tube great thinking got one of those in the garage, done that’s getting cut up tonight. It’s only normal nuts on the one end and capped at the other like you said a little while back didn’t put that in the water like you said they would leak. Pressurising the WTC will do that thank you again

Hi Phil, yeah well I have to work on Monday and I think she is staying up there till Monday night, I have been pimped out by my company to another to help engineer some electrical projects so Monday I start there should be interesting. Any progress on the type 9?
Cheers Tom
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #130 on: September 14, 2012, 11:36:07 am »

ITo get more clearance you could have made the caps like the (very basic) drawing. I would advise lexan, and make sure it's thick- at least 8mm. You could also make the lugs bigger than I've drawn- the bigger they are the better.



Three rods is sufficent for end caps, and self levelling. The bottom lug would sit inside the keel moulding.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #131 on: October 17, 2012, 09:46:41 pm »

Get a microgyros ESC. Excellent, very tough, and they have nice wide voltage range.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #132 on: October 19, 2012, 11:54:07 am »

Hi Tom,

Any updates on the S??

Mine arrived not long ago, Nice kit. I've taped it up again as wont be doing anything with her until after newyear.
I see what your on about re battery placement within keel, D's far to big.

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #133 on: October 22, 2012, 08:51:29 am »

Hi Batfish, sorry replied to your last post but seems it got deleted. I have done a few bits on the S but work is getting in the way I just have to do the front dive planes and front torpedo bulkhead, then I will add a little more detail then it's ready for painting.
Good to hear you have yours now it is a very good kit, are you going to use an OTW module or your own build? I am nearly done with the module but need it built to see how big the Center tube is going to be. Need a new speed controller as I cooked the last one playing with an rc buggy with my little boy. Will try one of the micro gyros like subculture suggested see what they are like. I should take some pictures and put them here but not that much has changed really. Cheers Tom
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #134 on: October 22, 2012, 10:42:40 am »

Good choice of esc! I've tried most of the major manufacturers ESC's, and Mike's are the best by a long shot. Shame he doesn't do brushless.

If you haven't got a leveller yet, have a word with Mike about his ESC and leveller deal. Not sure if he's still running that package, but if he is, you'll get the two units at a better rate than buying them independently.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #135 on: October 22, 2012, 01:18:28 pm »

Sweet will talk to him, I forgot need 2 esc's as using the mixer that Phil (spooksgone) kindly donated to help turn it, so hopefully he will do me a deal. Cheers again Subculture
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #136 on: October 22, 2012, 02:22:24 pm »

The ESC's are £23 each, the nearest equivalent specced controller made in the UK is 50% more expensive, and still isn't as good. So they're extremely good value.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #137 on: October 22, 2012, 07:07:40 pm »

Placed order tonight Yey this is the last parts I need for the module just need to put together now!
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #138 on: October 22, 2012, 09:04:27 pm »

Hi Tom,

I've not decided as yet re module. I did notice a module on ebay for £200.
Will see how the crazy season goes.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #139 on: November 05, 2012, 10:22:13 pm »

I have been reading this with interest can I ask?
what type of motors are you using for the Submarine?
 
and
 
how are you getting the shafts from motors through the WTC water tight?
 
 
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #140 on: November 06, 2012, 01:52:44 pm »

Colin,

Some of the guys recommended to eco500 running through 3.1 gearbox.

Marks model bits do resin endcaps.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #141 on: November 06, 2012, 02:07:07 pm »

There about four methods used to make propshafts watertight.

1. The crudest method is to pack a normal stern tube with a waterproof grease. This works to a degree, but over time water pressure will push the grease out of the tube, and then you will get water ingress, unless the grease is periodically replaced. The grease also places a higher load on the motor. Robbe and Graupner kits use this method of sealing shafts.

2. The second method is to use an o-ring, often silicone although some use nitrile. This is housed in a metal or plastic gland, which can be adjusted with a threaded spigot to compress the o-ring forming a seal around the shaft. OTW and Sheerline use this method.

3. Similar to the o-ring, German kits like Engel and Bruugebn kits come with shaft seals called simmerings. these are basically miniature oil seals. These are pressed into a housing, and a small lip seals around the shaft. No adjustment is necessary because the seal has a small spring which presses the seal against the shaft.

4. A small length of silicone tubing is fitted around a brass tube which the propshaft runs in. The silicone tubing sticks out a little way, wrapping around the propshaft providing a seal.

There are a few variations on this theme, but that lists the most common methods. Version two and three are the best way of going about things.

Recommending motors is quite tricky, as it depends on the prop size and pitch you're using, and also the speed you wish to obtain. Shaft speed will probably want to be somewhere in the region of 2000-3000RPM. Geared motos is one option, high wind high torque direct drive motors is another.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #142 on: November 06, 2012, 02:22:47 pm »

Thanks for the info,
I had a look at the engel O ring but couldn't work out how it went on
probably if I had 1 in my hand it would be straight forward %)
 
as for motors I was unsure the size required so will look at the various options now I have a guide to work with :-))
 
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #143 on: November 06, 2012, 03:08:39 pm »

They're a press fit inside the bore. If you've ever fitted an oil seal on a car, you'll know how they work.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #144 on: November 06, 2012, 04:39:58 pm »

They're a press fit inside the bore. If you've ever fitted an oil seal on a car, you'll know how they work.
thanks that akes it a bit better to understand :-))
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #145 on: November 09, 2012, 11:09:22 am »

I have been reading this with interest can I ask?
what type of motors are you using for the Submarine?
 
and
 
how are you getting the shafts from motors through the WTC water tight?
Hi, sorry been working abroad so had no access to the Internet without paying a fortune. The motors I am using are 755 type from Action electronics, can't find data sheet on them now but they are fairly low RPM and current draw but with good torque.

To get the shafts out I am using the items from Marks Model Bit
taken from his website "These have been extensively tested in our sub-sonic and are watertight.
 
They come with a cast resin mount for your motor, pre assembled and greased shaft with sealing O-ring and a solid coupling made to order for the shaft of your motor. Only assembly required is drilling the mount for your size of motor, bolting the whole lot together and glueing the stub shaft in."
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #146 on: November 10, 2012, 10:02:38 pm »

Thanks Tomp, I know what it's like to be working from home  :((
Thanks for the info I have been informed that the one one the OTW unit
We're 555 motors direct drive and also who to get them from
So may use those.....
I am still looking at what ballast system to use
I am thinking about 2 pumps and 2 bladders but still at the thinking stage {:-{
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2012, 10:20:44 am »

Apology to Colin.
 
I'm afraid the ex and her new partner went to town on my stuff.
 
S class has been put through a crusher and Slipway trent and revell Gato suffered the same fate.
 
Full refund of 450 has been sent to your paypal acc.
 
I'm terribly sorry for this colin. Police involved.
 
regards
adam
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #148 on: November 13, 2012, 10:28:30 am »

Thanks Adam,
I hope you get it all resolved mate


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Re: British S Class
« Reply #149 on: November 28, 2012, 09:29:28 pm »

1st I need to apologise for hijacking Tomp thread of his S class.
And to Martin (admin) for allowing my private life to be shown on a open forum.
 
I need to clarify a few things all.
The misses and i have are now going through divorce!!
I was informed then shown what i thought was my S class and Gato subs both destroyed.
If it was not for the actions of the local rc boys noticing the ex trying to sell my stuff local i would have thought my property destroyed.
 
The S class and Gato survive!! Guys i'am coming out of the hobby for as long as i need to sort thing's out! I will continue to visit mayhem... little bit of sanity and all that, plus i enjoy the forum and all the nice folks on it. 
 
A few pic's for Colin and others whom showed interest in her before all my troubles.
 
Kindest regards
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