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barryfoote

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It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« on: May 16, 2008, 10:29:28 pm »

Some photos that were sent to me (and thanks to Martin for seperating them).

Nothing but admiration for the people working on them (Except the Container ship that is!!!!Someone in trouble there...

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barryfoote

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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 10:31:00 pm »

One or two more....
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2008, 01:45:03 am »

How much force does water have when it rolls over the deck like in the pictures? Obviously, anybody standing in the way will be carried overboard, but I'm wondering how the metal equipment on the deck holds up.
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2008, 08:21:10 am »

In a real heavy storm, the water over the deck can cause massive damage, I have seen a raised walkway washed away and railings bent and buckled.

I am sure others will have experienced worse.

Ian
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2008, 11:05:10 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-FW7e2MNY

This is the Norweigan pelagic trawler Ole Bakk in a following sea , note that one of the waves submerges the front of the wheelhouse.....

This vessel is around 50-55m long too.....
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2008, 01:18:20 pm »

Heavy weather over the decks may sweep even the heaviest of kit aside, buckle bridge/accommodation fronts and smash wheelhouse windows (even those windows some decks high). Worse, it can be lethal for anyone in its way.

Barry M
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2008, 01:47:29 pm »

found these two on you tube. On the first clip check out the wave at 1m10sec and on the second clip well there ant one small wave.  john

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j_VWduUqaY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j_VWduUqaY&feature=related
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2008, 09:27:19 pm »

That looks far worse than it really was , that was a full power run in moderate seas if they had reduced power by 15% they would have gone over the waves instead of through them and been steaming faster as well. All ocean going salvage tugs go through this test to make sure that they can survive the pounding of any weather anywhere they find themselves.
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2008, 11:47:05 pm »

How much force does water have when it rolls over the deck like in the pictures? Obviously, anybody standing in the way will be carried overboard, but I'm wondering how the metal equipment on the deck holds up.

Just imagine an instantaneous snapshot of a wave as it is poised above the ship.  Try to estimate the volume of water in that wave and you will almost certainly be taking of a few thousand tons weight.  Drop that on anything and it wil have an effect but when it is moving sideways as well the momentum contained is tremendous.  Consequently the damage can be extreem as I have seen personally on container ships and the QE2.
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2008, 08:56:02 am »

As has been said there are a lot of us here that have experienced similar conditions, but the first and third of Footski's pictures made me flinch. That is a mean, mean wave and she is lucky to have come through it - assuming she did ?

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footskijunior

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 09:55:49 am »

Ah, the sea, a tough Mistress!

Big box boats experiance something like 300t of sideways force even from a moderate breeze - considering the standard tug has a bollard pull of around 30t it's quite a lot. All high sided vessels have the same problem, they act pretty much like a giant sail.

very difficult to sink a ship in bad weather - as long as it has enough reserve buoyancy (empty spaces) problem is when these get flooded, bouyancy is reduced, she is heavier and can't bring herself upright.

Prudent sailor - reduce speed, ride the waves instead of pounding through them - but box boats are on a schedule..... Wise or not.

Mark.
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2008, 03:49:16 pm »

Reminds me of a story my late Father told me long ago. It occured when the Irish ferry "Princess Victoria" foundered. My Father was Chief Engineer on the "Holderness" and only a couple of miles away but was helpless to assist. He really thought his time had come so he gathered his money, wallet, wedding ring MNOPF book and sealed them before tying him to his body, thinking at least if the worst happens they will know who he was. Fortunately she did not founder but tool a helluva lot of damage, especially from one wave. Breaking over the f'o'c'sle it stove in the forward hatchboards of No.1 hold. He had every available pump in use to stop her going down too much by the head. Then the same wave carried away the starboard wing of the bridge.tore the winch from No.2 hold off its bed and threw it against the fidley bulkhead which suffered a hug dent. Then it tore the jolly boat off its stocks and reduced it to matchwood. Coincidentally, I sailed on the "Holderness" much later and the damage was still visible, especially the fidley bulkhead which looked as it were bending over with severe bellyache.
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2008, 02:12:55 pm »

I can say heavy weather can be as terrifying for the seaman on board as people ashore looking at photo's and film clips. If you are not then it is time to get out, because you become a liability and take unnecessary risks, an yes I have seen wrinkles put in decks, split bulkheads in holds and broken frames through sea conditions and said to myself do I really need this to earn my crust of bread. As to weight each cubic yard of fresh water weighs one imperial ton, I am not sure but I believe the hold hatches on a general cargo vessel are designed to take water ti a depth of 25ft above it, but not continuesly.
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hugdavliv

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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 12:56:48 pm »

Your photos of rough seas were very evocATIVE. Theres a North Wales BBC website that has the history of a Captain from Holyhead. There is a shot from the bridge of one of Booths  V class ships, in rough North Atlantic weather. I think it was the Venimos. My late father was chief engineer of the Veras( sister ship) for many years. The Venimos shot made me realise what conditions my late father worked in, so I could have 5 shillings a week pocket money, for my airfix kits!
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2010, 04:18:04 pm »

Basically answering "Old Dodes"...although I agree with much of what he says, I invariably found that I only got a bit scared AFTER the event. While things were bucketing around and getting wet and so on everything seemed to happen either in slow motion or very much speeded up. As an aside, I generally found smaller ships were better at handling the very large lumpy stuff than big ships.
But looking at the photos makes me wonder if we were all mad for going to sea as a career....or did (do) we all have some sort of "death wish"!
One of the photos appears to be of a USN (?) ship preparing for a heavy weather RAS...she being the receiving ship. The wearing of semi-inflated lifejackets is normal procedure even in calm waters. None of the deck crew here seem at all peturbed by the apparent volume of water that plainly isn't going to land on them...although they'll still get wet. Wearing "lifelines" in this sort of situation would seem to the unitiated to be advisable....but the end result of that would be akin to taking 20 dogs for a walk on 20 different leads. BY.
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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2010, 04:44:12 pm »

Perhaps we thought that bad things always happened to somebody else? It was only now and again when you really had time to think you realised that to the next guy you were 'somebody else'.

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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2011, 01:43:43 am »

Basically answering "Old Dodes"...although I agree with much of what he says, I invariably found that I only got a bit scared AFTER the event. While things were bucketing around and getting wet and so on everything seemed to happen either in slow motion or very much speeded up. As an aside, I generally found smaller ships were better at handling the very large lumpy stuff than big ships.
But looking at the photos makes me wonder if we were all mad for going to sea as a career....or did (do) we all have some sort of "death wish"!
One of the photos appears to be of a USN (?) ship preparing for a heavy weather RAS...she being the receiving ship. The wearing of semi-inflated lifejackets is normal procedure even in calm waters. None of the deck crew here seem at all peturbed by the apparent volume of water that plainly isn't going to land on them...although they'll still get wet. Wearing "lifelines" in this sort of situation would seem to the unitiated to be advisable....but the end result of that would be akin to taking 20 dogs for a walk on 20 different leads. BY.

I can equate with your comment about being scared after the event in extreme weather, I, almost, always found it rather exhilarating, at the time, and worried about it afterwards. The only time I was really frightened, on big ships, was on passage in 1959 from Halifax to Newport News in ballast on a 12,000 tonner, when in a hurricane we did over 30 miles backwards in 36 hours!!!  Lots of structural damage was done and the dress of the days was brown corduroy trousers.
I agree with your comment about smaller ships. I found that the 4,500 GRT ships I occasionally sailed on rode heavy weather much better that bigger ships. The smaller tonnage rode the seas like corks, whereas the bigger ships were like half tide rocks.
In all my years as a professional seaman, I have only ever worn lifejackets at lifeboat drill and have never been on a merchant ship which had inflatable lifejackets available on board. I swallowed the anchor in 1989 so I guess things must have changed. Elf and Safety rules ok.
As far as being frightened on small boats, I will let you have my observations at a later date regatding the occasion when I and three others were caught in freak 84 mph winds in an open fishing coble off the NE Coast of the UK and were sunk by the RNLI LIfeboat sent to escort us into harbour when a wave picked her up and dropped her on top of us, smashing our bow off a mile or so from safety.
Cheers
John
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Mr Andy

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Re: It's a Rough Life on the Oceans...
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2011, 10:45:34 pm »

Fifth one down what a picture, they are all good but that one for me is the best.

Andy.  :-)
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