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Re: Build the Bismarck - a "Hachett" job?
« Reply #1100 on: February 24, 2009, 06:26:39 PM »

Could a paint pen, such as those tamiya sell do the trick. If you paint before assembling, you could trim the tip og the pen, and tape a wire guide to it. Run it around the bottom, using the guide to kep the pen right at the edge. Bobs your uncle!
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« Reply #1101 on: February 25, 2009, 12:03:50 AM »

Gentlemen, I thank you all for your responses, it's what the site is all about!! TCC, "yip" I did see the image, I've seen it before, but a lot smaller, and now that I know that the 'long thing' is a row of taps, it stops me from wondering!! It is represented on the model I believe, but obviously not in such detail!. I did model a 'drinking well and tap' on my 'Amati TITANIC', that's an even smaller 1/250th scale! I made the well out of a bit of plastic sprue and the tap was a bent piece of copper wire of a miniscule nature, and between the two, look the part!! Using a ruler would be impossibly hard (I think)as these brass parts have doors, vents, vent covers etc etc as  pronounced etchings.
    I found out 'accidentally' that the CD/DVD pen was infact 'double sided', so, if the finer tip is used to first draw in the 'top line', the 'bottom line' can be filled in by using the 'fine' liner again, or the other 'fatter' end. I'm thinking that your paper idea is really good, glued on with craft glue and then varnished might work, but would the overall varnishing maybe 'crimple' the paper as it does with transfers??..."HMM??"
Colin, I've seen that'Trim Line' tape used before as the 'gold band' on the above TITANIC, personally if I had thought of it I would have gone for the TRANSFER, you can get some sort of 'sealer' that moulds the thing over individual detail parts, ie, rivets, so it may have did the same with the doors and vents on the brass as I've mentioned above, but I've noted 'Trim line' into my diary for any future projects that I attempt!!
   Ian M, the 'TAMIYA' paint pen was my FIRST thought as it was ideal, and avail in D'Grey!! I had purchased 2 from E Bay and used them for doing the exact same thing on my 1/350th TAMIYA Battleship Missouri with great success, and No GUIDES!! (a couple of BOY SCOUTS had to do!!) I could'nt find anymore on E Bay, nor did my local model shop stock them, so 'the pen' was it!!!..".Bobs yer uncle!!"....thanks everybody for the info, all noted!!.............Dave.
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Re: Build the Bismarck - a "Hachett" job?
« Reply #1102 on: February 25, 2009, 02:47:26 AM »

"Hey TCC!!", forgot to mention, the lid definately has 'matt 76' on it, and yes, it's Humbrol and it's 'light grey', so, I'm afraid I aint got a Scooby Doo!!...Dave
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« Reply #1103 on: February 25, 2009, 10:56:21 AM »

Dave
Glad the images highlighted it a bit.

Could the different humbro, no be due to me looking at a UK paint chart while you are in Oz? It's either that (which I'd think would be highly impractical of them) or yours is from an old range? But they guide I'm looking at it 10+ yrs olf and that's the same as a new one in the front of a Squires catalogue.

I don't have a clue, either.

Colin, that tape sounds the biz... what is it exactly? What is it used for? Is it a thinner version of 'pinstripe' apes you used to get for cars in the 80s? If it's just a 'sticky back', it will need a varnish over it to keep it firmly on over the years, I'd think. Cheers mate.

Re: Transfers.
You can get blank A4 sheets that will go through an inkjet, or toner, and you can make your own transfers. I looked into it briefly but you can't print 'white' with an inkjet.

But why do the above when I can buy colins 3 rolls that come in the right size.

Cheers lads
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« Reply #1104 on: February 25, 2009, 11:09:15 AM »

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Colin, that tape sounds the biz... what is it exactly? What is it used for? Is it a thinner version of 'pinstripe' tapes you used to get for cars in the 80s? If it's just a 'sticky back', it will need a varnish over it to keep it firmly on over the years, I'd think. Cheers mate.

It is like the car pinstripe tape in that it is applied in a similar way by peeling off the backing. But it is considerably thinner and the adhesive is waterproof although I usually apply varnish over it anyway on the belt and braces principle.

Colin

Technical info:

TrimLine

Self Adhesive Coach Line. A 2 metre length of 8 different width tapes on one roll. Widths' 0.5, 0.8, 1.3, 2.1, 3.3, 5.0, 7.0 and 10.0 mm. Colours available Black, White, Red, Yellow, Royal Blue, Sky Blue, Green, Orange, Silver, Gold, Lime Pink, Purple, Lilac, Cerise, Dark Blue, Turquoise and Wine.

 

 The specially developed material adheres well to all surfaces and can be taken around tight curves without shrinking back and can be shaped around compound curves easily. The range of sizes from 0.5mm upward means there is a size to fit all models from the smallest train to the largest aircraft.

 
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berth44

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« Reply #1105 on: February 25, 2009, 09:18:38 PM »

I wonder if it is available in Oz Colin??,  (probably not, this place sucks when it comes to getting simple or specialised model stuff!! I collect BR locomotives 'OO' with a view to actually having a layout at some time!, and when I was back 'home' in Scotland last Nov/Dec I visited the 'Warley' model Railway Exhibition in Birmingham, it became blatantly  obvious just exactly what I was missing!!! ) This stupid marker has just dried up! It's not too late to use something dif'rent!!...Dave.
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« Reply #1106 on: March 05, 2009, 10:53:33 PM »

G'day, well, it doesn't get worse that this, issues 80-83 despatched on the 12TH February 'lost in space,gone, vanished into thin air!!' (how, who would want them???), so replacements have beeen ordered by my supplier, so that could take up to the next 12TH, like the 12Th of never, so this boy could be dead in the water once I have all the brass sides painted, glazed, and fitted.
Any you builders out there have decking problems??.'Dry fitting' the ' lasered' deck part to the aft deck section that goes round the brass in issue 62, I found it was at least 3mm too wide, well, either that was out or the wooden superstucture that the above mentioned brass fits was too small. I could have made up this 'wooden' bit to fit the decking better with 'PLasticard', but seeing the brass was 'finished off', fully painted and glazed, to flatten it out and rebend it to fit the 'wider' wood part was out of the question. The only way to 'fix it' was to cut the deck into two sections and by removing a couple of planks managed to get this thing to fit as best as I could!..hope it's not a sign of things to come??.....Dave
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« Reply #1107 on: March 16, 2009, 09:27:22 PM »

G'day, good news for me, missing issues '80-83' were re-supplied by my 'supplier', one week after I called them,(the parts were dispatched to me on the 12th February, but I didn't receive them. I called them, when I thought, "where's my latest lot?" A certain time is allowed (it seems) to pass before the parts are actually deemed ' MIA' and I was instructed to call them again a week later if they didn't arrive, they didn't, but one week after the call, they did!, that was the week my friends!!)) so I say that was great service indeed, why they went missing in the first place??, who knows!, but all I can say in defence of my 'Australian Supplier' is that the service they give is spot on, as far as I'm concerned..and this has not been the first time either!
Earlier on in the 'planking process' I was unsatisfied with the quality on a batch of the '2ND' lot..... replaced, the resin stern part..... replaced...twice!! All came with my next lot of issues, no problems, and more recently in issue 70 I had a small resin part missing...replaced....So, there you go crew, and this afternoon I'm going to call them and say thanks...I'm sure the operators will be happy with a bit of 'positive feedback' instead of the grillings that they'll no doubt get from irate customers!!...Now we can get back to 'the build'....but not this week, a bit busy with 'other things!....Dave.

P/S I also received issues 83-88 as well, so that's 8 issues to work on!!!
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tjilpi

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« Reply #1108 on: March 17, 2009, 06:03:51 AM »

So Martin,
Are we going to see any more of your Bismarck? or have you decided she'll do nicely as a barge without all that silly superstructure?
Cheers
Oz
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berth44

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« Reply #1109 on: March 17, 2009, 10:48:57 PM »

"Hmmm", I'm thinking it was more like an 'Aircraft carrier', that's what mine is at the moment, with a spitfire on it's deck!......Dave
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TCC

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« Reply #1110 on: March 18, 2009, 01:36:49 PM »

"Hmmm", I'm thinking it was more like an 'Aircraft carrier', that's what mine is at the moment, with a spitfire on it's deck!......Dave

Well you're only doing what they did with a lot of the 1st wars batlecruisers.
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tjilpi

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« Reply #1111 on: March 18, 2009, 09:03:33 PM »

or she'd make a nice Japanese Carrier (scans to 'Tora, Tora, tora' ... mmmmmmmmmmm, carrier)  8)
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berth44

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« Reply #1112 on: March 18, 2009, 10:39:52 PM »

Hopefully she's not going to be like that for long, but then I'm thinking??, "probably", there's a lot still to be done on the superstructure, so she's gonna be a 'flat top' for a few months yet, might get rid of the 'spitfire' and place the 1/200th 747 on deck....just to be different!!........Dave
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« Reply #1113 on: March 19, 2009, 11:18:32 PM »

I'm in the throws of widening my hull and deck amidships by about 1.5mm each side, just inside the armourd belt recess.

Test fitting of the supplied decks has shown she is just a tad narrow as I want to maintain the 1 to 1.5mm gap between the decking and deck edge so I can fit the rails in it.

Ah well, such is life......
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berth44

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« Reply #1114 on: March 22, 2009, 09:12:36 PM »

Interesting point Eric65, need to look out for that, but I might be OK as I did my planking round the 'armour belt' from bow to stern in a very different way to the 'AMATI' instructions, but as I haven't quite reached the 'decking point' as yet,I don't know how it will be, but I'm hoping it will be OK!   Obviously,  you must be a wee bit further ahead in your construction, thanks for the 'pointer' in any case!
 How did you find other parts of the ' laser cut' decking??, I've only 'dry fitted' one deck and that was a hit and miss affair!....Dave.
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kelvin

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« Reply #1115 on: March 22, 2009, 10:23:26 PM »

well everybody,

your doiing a great job building the bismarck. I also have my problems building the great battleship.
here you can watch me building the Bismarck 
:-))
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15180.0
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« Reply #1116 on: March 22, 2009, 10:41:23 PM »

Interesting point Eric65, need to look out for that, but I might be OK as I did my planking round the 'armour belt' from bow to stern in a very different way to the 'AMATI' instructions, but as I haven't quite reached the 'decking point' as yet,I don't know how it will be, but I'm hoping it will be OK!   Obviously,  you must be a wee bit further ahead in your construction, thanks for the 'pointer' in any case!
 How did you find other parts of the ' laser cut' decking??, I've only 'dry fitted' one deck and that was a hit and miss affair!....Dave.

I found the decking to be fine, no problems with it at all. Some parts on the upper decks needed small amounts of trimming so they would fit in place, but only a little.  I had considered doing my own planking, but bottled it! Glad I did now.

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berth44

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« Reply #1117 on: March 23, 2009, 02:53:11 AM »

That first bit I tried on the 'upper deck' (looks like a horse shoe) It was about 3mm wider than the structure it was supposed to fit round!. I cut it in two and removed a couple of planks to try and get a better fit. If the brass hadn't been fished off and glued to the wooden bit, I would have increased the wooden part in size and re-bent the brass rather than cut the decking! ..Dave
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« Reply #1118 on: March 23, 2009, 07:29:32 AM »

hi everyone can i just add that the black line you are talking about, is called a boot topping, and isn't black but a very dark grey
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« Reply #1119 on: March 23, 2009, 09:29:27 PM »

G'day keef666, I thought the 'boot topping' was the grey/black line between the grey hull and the red keel??? I can't say you are right or wrong on the superstructure, except the fact it is probably 'dark grey', but, when most of the photographs are black and white images,  it's hard to confirm 'black or grey' because of different 'shadows', and of course the actual quality of the image/print, but thanks for that imput, I'm sure there has to be someone in the 'know'
The Battleship 'Missouri' that I was (am still!!) building and superdetailing it as I went along has a 'line' as well, for this I used the 'Tamiya' paint 'pens' and it was dark grey that I used, unfortunately I can't get these in Canberra, the ones that I did have were off of Ebay, and I can't find no more of them!!....Dave.
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« Reply #1120 on: March 24, 2009, 10:27:32 AM »

Anyone given any thought to painting the camo stripes on the superstructure yet?

Surely with all the detail that has being added its going to be a nightmare to access for masking/painting??
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berth44

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« Reply #1121 on: March 24, 2009, 08:47:22 PM »

I'm thinking the same thing 'down below', with decking in place, handrails,etc ect 'wow!! If anybody says it wont be a bother, I think I'd be tad inclined  NOT to believe them!!  I'm taking the easy way out, and NOT doing the 'Camo'.......Dave.
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« Reply #1122 on: March 24, 2009, 10:41:51 PM »

 You could just do the cammo on the hull.
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berth44

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« Reply #1123 on: March 24, 2009, 11:25:54 PM »

G'day rem2007, somehow I don't think that would be the answer...it's all or nothing!!, mind you, you could do as you say then paint it out ( but still with the outline showing through ,seems it was a rushed job!!) This was her condition as per her battle with the Royal Navy, but you got to leave the stripes on the 'boot topping' (the waves on the bow were left on as well!).   Seems when the 'camo' was painted out, she was 'low' in the water and this part was left  'as is'  due to a full compliment of crew, munitions, and provisions for a long spell at sea, but that was cut a wee bit short as we all know!!  The choice my dear friend lies with you, 'the modeller', so many options!........Dave.
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Re: Build the Bismarck - a "Hachett" job?
« Reply #1124 on: March 25, 2009, 11:39:23 AM »

So far I must have been lucky as all my decking
has fitted quite neatly, I just hope the bits to come do
as well........

Roy
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