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Chameo

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Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« on: January 24, 2011, 10:45:49 am »

Do you know that problem? You want to have ONE transmitter for all of your models and you've got planes, cars, helis and boats? Or you need more than 6 channels for your boat without having the TXs channels fixed to mixers like aileron, v-tail or swashplate? There is a solution...

What is it all about?
First of all there's the FlySky TH9X (also sold under iMax, Eurgle or Turnigy label) transmitter which is a heli/plane/glider TX but turns into a swiss kife with an alternative firmware (er9x). The channels can be assigned freely to any stick, pot or switch and mixed in any imaginable way. You can assign curves to each channel, limit the servo movement, slow the servo movement down and much more.
There can be up to 16 models in the TXs memory (depending on their complexity). In addition to the er9x firmware there's a windows based model editor you can use to programm, simulate and store as many models as you like. With this you have virtually memory for an infinate number of models.

What about more than 8 channels?
When you buy the TH9X set you'll get an 8ch 2.4GHz HF module and an 8ch receiver. If you need more than this you can buy the TH9X without HF module and receiver and buy a JETI DUPLEX 2.4GHz module and receiver and you'll get up to 16 channels. But forget about a cheap solution when choosing this way.

What do you need?
-the TH9X TX with a HF module and receiver
-the free er9x firmware and the eepe model editor
-an AVR ISP programmer to connect the TX to the pc and change/edit firmware and model memory
-a soldering iron, solder, some cables and a 6/10-pin connector
or instead of the last two points:
-a solderless add-on board (incl. programmer and EL backlight)

What do you have to do?
Open the TX and solder the cables to the pcb and to the 6/10-pin connector (or mount the add-on board). Connect the isp programmer to your pc and to your TX. Install drivers for the programmer (if needed). Start the eepe software, choose the right isp programmer in the settings and flash the new firmware into the tx. Well, that's it! Congratulations to your new cheap and versatile TX. Read the er9x manual and enjoy.

What does it cost?
-the FlySky TH9X with 8ch HF modul and receiver costs about 65€ incl. shipping from china (it isn't really cheaper without HF module and receiver)
-for more than 8 channels you'll need the JETI DUPLEX TG2 HF module which is about 120€ and from 100€ to 190€ for a 10 up to 16 channel receiver.
-a simple AVR ISP programmer is about 20€ (or about 40€ for the solderless add-on board)


Information about the FS TH9X: http://www.flysky-cn.com/eShowProducts.asp?id=43

Detailed information about the er9x firmware: http://code.google.com/p/er9x/

Detailed information about soldering the programmer interface to the TX: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uploads/1030097943X238731X30.pdf

Details about using the solderless add-on board: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1338412


I got my TH9X last thursday from china after 7 weeks of waiting (due to xmas and the european snow chaos there was a delay of several weeks). Fortunately everything else was here and ready to install: the FrSky V8JT HF module (because I already use the FrSky 2.4GHz system), an EL backlight with inverter plus a FET for switching, some wires and a 10-pin connector and a simple selfmade parallel AVR ISP programmer which I've used for several projects before. I did a quick test with the original software to ensure that the hardware is ok. With the instructions it's really easy to solder the 10-pin connector to the pcb. Making a hole for the connector into the TX housing shouldn't be a problem for a modeller. Installing the EL backlight was a little more difficult because it's cable easily collides with the menu/exit keys. A detailed instruction for installing the backlight can be found on the er9x homepage.
Flashing the new firmware was easy and done in a minute, calibrating the TX is simple too but I tried without the manual first and needed a little longer.

Conclusion:
Ok, hacking a brand new TX feels a little wrong, but when ordering from china there isn't a real warranty which could be lost anyway. The modified TH9X seems to be all I need for all of my models of all different kinds. In addition I'm happy with the possibilities the windows based editor provides. It's also great to know that the firmware still will be improved with features suggested by the community of er9x users. I love it!

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Chameo

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Re: Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2011, 11:28:09 am »

Hmmm, I'm a little confused... so many readers but no comment?!  {:-{

What is it? No need? No interest? Too difficult? Don't like to order from china?
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Re: Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2011, 11:40:29 am »

Too damn complicated to be bothered in all honesty............ {:-{
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Re: Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2011, 12:05:32 pm »

I found it quite difficult to work out what was being said here. My interpretation is:


1 - You want to have ONE transmitter for all of your models and you've got planes, cars, helis and boats?   Use 2.4ghz.


2 - You need more than 6 channels for your boat without having the TXs channels fixed to mixers like aileron, v-tail or swashplate? Buy an 8 channel  FlySky TH9X for 65Euros, or you can get 16 channels with a JETI DUPLEX TG2 HF module which is about 120€.

 
3 - The TH9x has poor firmware, but this can be changed with an AVP ISP programmer for about 20E and some complex fiddling.


So it is possible to get a single transmitter which stores complex setups for all of your land, sea and air models quite cheaply if you are prepared and able to do some reprogramming. An interesting proposal, but boat requirements are usually much simpler than helicopter setups, and the alternative of having several very cheap transmitters gives you a bit more redundancy...
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Chameo

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Re: Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2011, 12:36:28 pm »

@carlmt
Thanks for your honesty... in fact it isn't that complicated. It took me about an hour until the original TH9X turned into a highly versatile TX with a backlighted display. And if you choose the solderless add-on board, all you need is a screw driver and even less time.

I see people building highly detailed and complicated models but when it comes to electronics even the easiest change seems to be too difficult.


@dodgy geezer
You got it basically. I know that for most boats a simple 2ch TX is enough but reading some posts here at mayhem there's obviously a need for more channels in some cases. And these guys are struggling with cheap 6ch sets which are intended for flight models or spend hundreds of bucks in very special TX from the established manufactures.

I thought it would be good to have an alternative.
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Robert Davies

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Re: Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 06:14:23 pm »


Hello Chameo et al.

I've been running a FlySky TH9x for a year or so.

It is only recently that I have been looking at the ER9x firmware, and am still waiting for one of S-Mack's solderless programming boards to arrive  :-)

Digging through the upgrade firmware editor EEPE (which is available for Windows, Mac and Linux) it appears that ANY channel's response can be slowed - I'm going to experiment with the 40mm gun rotation on the rear of my PT Boat - currently it is programmed to one of the three rotational pots.....

Further digging in the upgrade reveals that you can mix ANY channel to any other channel - the implications for multi-prop control seem pretty great to me.

The great advantage of the FlySky TH9x TX + RX combo? Currently it is about 60ukp delivered from HK - cheap enough to experiment on without too much worry - I've just ordered a spare 'for redundancy' :-)

-Rob

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Re: Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 06:32:04 pm »


I've been running a FlySky TH9x for a year or so.


Did you find that you had to pay extra for UK customs duties and collection fees?
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Robert Davies

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Re: Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2011, 06:39:14 pm »

Did you find that you had to pay extra for UK customs duties and collection fees?

No, and rarely do anyway from China/HK.

-Rob
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Re: Cheap 2.4GHz Set with 8 or more channels
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2011, 09:44:43 pm »

Hmmm, I'm a little confused... so many readers but no comment?!  {:-{

What is it? No need? No interest? Too difficult? Don't like to order from china?

There is interest but some are not sufficiently "technically" versed to comment but we are still interested.

China\HK is fine, most stuff down under including "brand names" are now made in China.
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