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Re: HMS Invincible sold to Turkish ship breaker
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2011, 09:15:07 pm »

Fair well Invincible! Rest In Pieces.
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2011, 10:05:06 pm »

I`m sorry Colin ,mia culpa. It was I who brought the prawn into the conversation. it seemed relevant at the time, labour going abroad etc.  I will however try to keep HMS Invincible`s memory alive as long as I can.
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2011, 03:13:32 pm »

If this isn't hijacking a topic I don't know what is... Not impressed!  :((

If people just see these photos in terms of scrap metal and Chinese takeaways it seems there is little hope for us.... Explains a lot I suppose.

Invincible's Captain at the Falkllands was there to mark the occasion and  was interviewed on the BBC. At least some people retain a sense of proportion and history.

Prawns!!!!!!!!!!!!! <*<

Colin



errmmmm...actually it is just scrap steel.....

what makes a ship is the people who sail her, and for the RN I guess, also what the name means for its history.
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Re: HMS Invincible sold to Turkish ship breaker
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2011, 03:40:07 pm »

Not an aircraft carrier - A through deck cruiser
Labour would not build carriers

Ark and Eagle were the last of the carriers (and Hermes)
No sackcloth and ashes when these grand old ships met their fate
I spent part of my career in the FAA and served on Victorious,Centaur and Eagle
They were Carriers


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Re: HMS Invincible sold to Turkish ship breaker
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2011, 03:49:45 pm »

Not an aircraft carrier - A through deck cruiser
Labour would not build carriers

Ark and Eagle were the last of the carriers (and Hermes)
No sackcloth and ashes when these grand old ships met their fate
I spent part of my career in the FAA and served on Victorious,Centaur and Eagle
They were Carriers


Ned


Bull plop! The Harrier was an outstanding piece of technology and proved to be an outstanding aircraft in the Falklands, Bosnia, Afganistan etc. Through deck Cruisers dont exist, never did exist, it was just a term to confuse our fairly stupid masters in government. Invincible carried these aircraft, therefore she was and is an Aircraft Carrier.
Long may she be remembered.
Dont forget Hermes is still soldiering on in the Indian Navy, I would assume she is probably filled with expanding foam and quick drying cement though %% %%
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pugwash

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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2011, 04:24:43 pm »

Sorry I've got to agree with Ned.  Eagle, Vic, Ark and the rest were proper carriers with reasonably large airwings.
We got a 2nd rate product with the so called "through deck cruisers, fortunately we had a first rate aircraft in the
Sea Harrier otherwise the ships would not have been worth the steel from which they were built
I would never deny that the combination of the thru decks and harriers did a most excellent job
but they should not be confused with the real thing which would have given us far better protection
in the Falklands
Never served on Carriers but spend weeks and weeks plane guard for the Ark and to see her air group of about 45 planes
on circuits and bumps you realised what a useful asset she was.

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Re: HMS Invincible sold to Turkish ship breaker
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2011, 04:31:31 pm »

True, if the old Ark was still in service late 1981, I doubt our friends in the South Atlantic would have considered causing 'a bit of a fuss'. However, we have a long tradition of doing the best with the second rate rubbish we are provided with. The ships are only a means to an end, what you do with your assets is what counts.
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pugwash

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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2011, 04:53:29 pm »

And hasn't that always been the same with the Armed Forces of this country.
Underfunded and undervalued _ until......

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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2011, 04:59:36 pm »

And hasn't that always been the same with the Armed Forces of this country.
Underfunded and undervalued _ until......

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wartsilaone

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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2011, 05:32:28 pm »

Through Deck Cruiser was what the admiralty described these ships so that the money men wouldn't say no to building project.
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Re: HMS Invincible sold to Turkish ship breaker
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2011, 05:34:19 pm »

I was rather hoping this topic wouldn't turn into a rant but oh well.... :((

A large number of people gathered together yesterday to watch Invincible's departure, many of them had served aboard her including her captain at the Falklands. I don't think they felt they were looking at a few thousand tons of inert steel but rather something which acted as a focus for their shared memories and experiences as members of her ship's company over the years. By the same token you might as well describe HMS Victory as a pile of rotting lumber but a majority of people might think otherwise.

I remember being on the beach on the Isle of Wight in 1960 when HMS Vanguard was towed away for breaking up and my Dad said to me, 'there goes the very last British Battleship'; perhaps not quite true as Warrior has come back since then, if only as a tourist attraction, but I have never forgotten the sight of her passing out of view around the headland.

History is important - it defines who we are. Too many people are ignorant of it these days unfortunately.

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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2011, 06:39:09 pm »

I spent some time in the Royal Navy and a current work mate lost friends when HMS Coventry was hit so I have nothing but respect the guys and girls who serve our country. Yes a ship is just a ship but its what it symbolises that's important. 
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2011, 06:49:31 pm »

Sad to see the old girl go.
I joined Invincible when she first arrived in Portsmouth,and went through all the sea trials to be accepted into the RN.
Served on her for 3 yrs including the south atlantic.
But a ship only has so much sea life.
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2011, 07:14:15 pm »

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But a ship only has so much sea life.

I think that's a given, I wasn't suggesting she be put back into service, just that her breaking up does have some historical significance.

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Re: HMS Invincible sold to Turkish ship breaker
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2011, 07:42:03 pm »

She should have been put into Portsmouth as a museum ship Colin. A memorial to the fleet that retook the Falklands. The RN could have still used her instead of using the old destroyer Bristol.
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2011, 08:06:08 pm »

Davie, yes that sounds like a good idea, a lot more accommodation which would have offered more flexible options plus the potential for adding to tourist attractions of the historic ships in the Dockyard. The big flight deck would have been good for staging various events too. Just a bit of imagination and a sound business plan needed really.

However, the Historic Dockyard has to work very hard to pay its way which it does by staging various events throughout the year. Just relying on the historic ships is not enough as once people have made a visit it takes a lot to bring them back again in the short term. Chatham has similar issues. I always take every opportunity to plug both in Model Boats as the people running these places are essentially preserving our naval heritage in the face of indifference by Government and Big Business.

We in Britain have never been very good at preserving our historic ships, the USA and other countries have much better records.

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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2011, 08:17:06 pm »

Wonder if they used the Ark Royal for my suggestion if the name alone wouldn't draw in bigger crowds. I know she never went to the Falklands ( still being built ) but with her name surely she could be used like that.

Corporate days , a conference centre ( hell she's got a big enough hanger for 3 or 4 big rooms ) , concerts , hell it wouldn't take too much to make a go of it surely.

You make a good point about the USA preserving their historic ships Colin , I don't know if a single Battleship was scrapped after WW2 I think all of them apart from the New Jersey ( she's still in the mothball fleet at the insistence of the Marine Corps I think ) are museum ships but I think quite a lot of them are in fairly poor condition , guess funding is as big a problem over there as here at times.
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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2011, 08:45:02 pm »

The last I heard, the suggestion for Ark Royal was that she should be used as a heliport on the Thames. Landing space for commercial choppers is apparently at a premium and the single engine ones have to fly up and down the river for safety reasons. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.

I think you are right about the US preserved ships having financial difficulties, there has been talk of scrapping the USS Maine recently. But maintaining something the size of a WW2 battleship is obviously a huge endeavour helped only by the fact that they were previously very solidly built. Where the US differs from the UK is that I sense there is much more local civic pride in the States in preserving these vessels. Over here there is almost total disinterest except for small bands of enthusiasts, a situation which perhaps reflects the relative importance given to history in our respective education systems.

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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2011, 09:24:02 pm »

I'm not usually a fan of the Daily Mail but I think that in this instance they are right on the button: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369599/HMS-Invincible-aircraft-carrier-leaves-Portsmouth-Turkish-scrapyard.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2011, 12:47:14 pm »

Hello

A picture of the ex-Invincible seen on this week Tug Towing and Offshore Newsletter (nb 14 2011)

http://www.towingline.com/all-tugs-towing-offshore-newsletters/volume-twelfth-2011
 
 

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« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2011, 07:35:55 pm »

I have no wish or desire to be controversial here, but we're going over old ground. Colin (and others) do raise some interesting points. But firstly may I just gently point out that "nostalgia" isn't confined to warships. Everybody and his dog wanted to "keep" the old QE2 "somewhere". But where? And who would pay for it? A load of nonsense really.
Then of course we have the fact that all the "Historic" Dockyards are on or near the South Coast. Miles and miles away from where most of the rest of the UK population live. Even if you live next door to one of these places, how often would you visit? We, up here, have the splendid Beamish Museum...but I would guess that the "locals" only visit once every 5 years or so....if that, unless they're escorting relatives from furrin parts such as Leistershire or somewhere.
As a final aside. did you know that there was once a grotty little RFA with the name "Ark Royal"? Who mourned her passing I wonder. Cheers. BY.
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« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2011, 07:51:25 pm »

And whats wrong with Leicestershire - Gods little acre - you just get some strange folk from there.
Not me ofcourse.

Geoff
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