Geoff. Have you ever considered how disparaging a term as "civvie" can be? In my mortgage paying life I, and others of my ilk used to get rather incensed at being referred to a "civvies" by some snotty nosed 19 year old RN rating who happened to be embarked in our ship. It was never ever used in "fun", but always as a sign of perceived superiorority. Little did they know. By the way, Haven't seen you for awhile. How's the "Aisne" coming along? Ready to go to the NE Show next month? BY.