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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2011, 10:36:36 PM »

AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!

What has he done???????????

He took a jigsaw to it and cut it up!!!!!!!!!!

Ali mate - I know a good counsellor - she will soothe your brow!!!!!

Bloody hethen!!!!!!!
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« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2011, 10:41:46 PM »

yes i did not want to say ,but what planet is he on . all that work down the drain all for a box boat.

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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2011, 10:54:57 PM »

My heart sank just like the boat would having been cut in half. I could not believe it.

Still not the first time this has happened.

As they say suit your self.

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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2011, 10:59:20 PM »

If only wee'd known a few months earlier.
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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2011, 11:00:09 PM »

Ali - when the time comes, which would you build (I think I can guess....) Norland or Norstar?

My guess is Norland...........if so, then we will build the prototype as Norstar.....

All the drawings should be finished by the end of December.......concerted effort is planned. I want to start prototyping in the new year.
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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2011, 11:11:49 PM »

Carl. You're damn right! The Norland was the first north sea ferry I went on and you know how it goes. You never forget your first time.
It's good to hear you're progressing. I wish I could help you more. If I come across anything I'll let you know.


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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2011, 03:11:55 PM »

A useful link for more photos of the Norland -> http://www.quaysides.co.uk/norland.htm

The photo sequence toward the end documents her final departure from Hull, "saluted by Norsun and Pride of Hull....."

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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2011, 03:21:30 PM »

A gold mine!!!

Thankyou Peter - lovely photos there.............will be very useful  :-)) :-)) :-))
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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2011, 05:37:38 PM »

Now gonna be Bahamian from Hull

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« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2011, 01:04:51 AM »

Hi John - that link doesn't work for me?

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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2012, 11:57:48 PM »

Hi Carl. Not sure if you've seen this one but there's some cracking Photos.

http://www.quaysides.co.uk/norland.htm

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« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2012, 12:20:01 AM »

Hi Ali - Yep got that one and downloaded all the photos to my archive file  :-)) :-)) :-))

I have dropped a line to P&O asking if they can introduce me to their naval architect practice that they use for classification work. I am hoping that they will have record drawings of all the older vessels, including those of the NSF fleet, stashed away somewhere (on a computer?) that they could let me have.
Will report back in due course......

Cracked on with the hull profiles over Christmas - not the easiest of hull shapes I can tell you  {:-{ {:-{
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« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2012, 12:31:40 AM »

I'm sure you've got your hand full with the FEV but it's nice to know you haven't forgotten her.

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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2012, 05:01:25 AM »

drawings of all the older vessels that they could let me have.

Carl I bet you could get where water couldn't.
By the way - for each new design - is there always a model built? Where would they usually reside?

Dave .............. after a long break I'm back at work tomorrow night  <:( <:( <:(
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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2012, 08:37:08 AM »

Norwind
Norland
Norstar
Norsun....................Alll in the entrance hall at Zeebrugge

Norsea....................in the waiting area, Hull

Norbay
Norbank..................Unknown, Possibly Rotterdam, maybe Liverpool.

Pride of Hull
Pride of Rotterdam...if there are any models they will be in the new terminal at Hull or in Rotterdam.

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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2012, 08:14:41 PM »

Carl I bet you could get where water couldn't.
By the way - for each new design - is there always a model built? Where would they usually reside?

Dave .............. after a long break I'm back at work tomorrow night  <:( <:( <:(

Ali has list the main lot.
As morden ships are modeled on computers with virtual 3D avaible there is not a need to do models as much as there use to be. Sadly is is an area in shipbuild that is slowly dieying out. High profile ships have models built for press realise etc but run of the mill ships sadly no more

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« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2012, 08:26:14 PM »

That is sad John and proves not all progress is good.
One of my abiding childhood memories is visiting the museum in Liverpool
and seeing all the ships models - nearly all bigger than I was. Dinosaur bones
couldn't hold a candle to those old girls.

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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2012, 08:40:27 PM »

For P&O I know that they have Pride of Dover, Kent and Canterbury along with European Seaway at their Dover office reception, and a large model of the Spirit of Britain resides on the ship.
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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2012, 09:13:32 PM »

Even these days I think most big ships have a model made of them, be it a commission or a shipyard model.


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You can see the reflection of the real ship too.

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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2012, 09:26:12 PM »

You can see the reflection of the real ship too.

Now was that an artistic decision Ali? 8)

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« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2012, 09:28:21 PM »

You can see the reflection of the real ship too.
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I can NOW......thought I was going daft  %% %% %%
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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2012, 10:12:59 PM »

. I missed wored what I was trying to say. The big shipyard models you see in muesum eg QE2 from John Brows yard now n the Glasgow transport muesum are not done. Morden ship building dosent require them for tank testing etc. Them may make some to see how liverys work.
 How ever Shipping companys  still order models for the office and board room.dissplay  on there ships etc.

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« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2012, 01:18:27 AM »

Hi Carl,

I have come across your thread and acknowledge your diligent work in constructing model boat kits from scratch.

As you seem to have a penchant for ferries and passenger vessels in general I thought my contributions in a German model boaters' forum might be of interest to you too.

A couple of weeks ago I discovered the DELFTship (DS) hull lofting programme and was struck by it.
First because in its base version it can be downloaded and used totally free of any license charges.
And believe me, the free version is fully sufficient for generating lines plans suited for model making purposes.
I can only nudge you towards using this software for your hull frames reconstruction work too as it will save you hundreds of tedious drafting hours.
I was so amazed how quickly I could get grips of DS and produce hull lines of all sorts of vessels in virtually no time.
Added to this comes the benefit that once you have produced a hull model you can set as many sections at any position of the hull as you please, be it frame sections, waterlines, buttocks or diagonals.
You can also linearly scale a hull to any other suitable dimensions, so that you can start with a similar base form and scale that to you intended design's main dimensions.
This will cut the time to arrive at a set of lines even further.
But you could also transform a hull by the relevant naval architect's hull form parameters according to Lackenby's method, if you feel so inclined.
Thus you can produce hull lines like a ship yard would on contracting a new order.

I have started digitizing hull forms here in my thread in said forum from mainly data sheets of vessels that can be found on a few shipping companies' websites which contain little excerpts from the general arrangement plans (GAP).
Because one can load those GAP excerpts as background images in DS and gather the hull lines from there.
For some of the hull lines that I present I possessed a copy of the vessel's body plan.
Some of the lines were produced on request of other model boaters who wanted to build a model of a particular vessel but lacked plans of her.

As I already have posted hull lines of some cruise ships and a ferry maybe this could nurture your interest as well?

However, a word of warning, concerning the loading time of the images in the first few postings of mine.
When I started publishing them in that forum I didn't care for the image sizes but just set links to the bmp files as DS output them (of course DS also handles the common CAD file format DXF in case you require to further process them in another CAD programme).
Until a model boater friend complained about the pages' loading time.
From then on I converted the images to compressed file formats beforehand to which I link now.
So the latter postings in my thread will load much faster.

Here are e.g. my hull lines of one of the most elegant and sleek ferries ever built in my opinion (until they ruined her by adding ugly buoyancy blisters to her hull to meet IMO/SOLAS regulations introduced after the ESTONIA sinking).

see hull lines of TOR BRITANIA.

How about producing a kit of her?

Cheers
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Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2012, 03:50:34 PM »

A couple of weeks ago I discovered the DELFTship (DS)
I was so amazed how quickly I could get grips of DS and produce hull lines

Hi Ralph

That was an interesting post and link. I admit I would like to be able to produce simple plans and frames etc.
Is DS the sort of program a person with no experience of drafting could learn? I assume you had relevant
skills before you got DS.

Regards Dave
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