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Re: Mayhems Numbers and Newbie's Posts
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2011, 10:28:19 AM »

If there is a problem it does come to light in the admin area that there are multiple names.
As in most Forums there is only a small percentage posting, this is quite normal.
I belong to a Forum with over 23000 members and it is the usual posters doing most of the posting (much less than 100).

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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2011, 10:45:34 AM »

Hi

Just following all your thoughts

What is interesting is those 'regular' posters who have stopped posting, and why. Says RaaArtyGunner. Why do you think they have stopped and are there many?

Also Pugwash is spot on about simply being polite to people generally (in the real world too). Can't agree about part of 'he could have got for himself - if he wasnt too busy, had the ability or wasnt too lazy' Not having the ability to find something on line is very different from laziness  or being too busy to bother. Sometimes loosely googling a word  just returns you an overwhelming number of responses and many lead nowhere.

On the forum I've asked about parts straight off because the choice is too wide when your green as green can be, but I haven't posted asking about working with Styrene and what thickness etc etc. That's puzzling me but it's not urgent so I'm trying to work around it myself before I post anything.

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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2011, 10:56:25 AM »

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What is interesting is those 'regular' posters who have stopped posting, and why.

Nothing unusual there either. People move on. Sometimes they get interested in something like model boats and then change to something else. All Forums have their own 'ambience' or atmosphere and you do need to adapt to that. Some people find it difficult, others take a dislike to other members and simply stop posting. Some may just get bored!

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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2011, 11:03:03 AM »

oops very sorry - I've  just realised blue is for moderators. I really wanted to highlight in grey but didn't see how to do it.

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Re: Mayhems Numbers and Newbie's Posts
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2011, 11:03:46 AM »

Its just a pity that a lot of those who dont post anymore are the more experienced and proficient modellers.
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« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2011, 11:53:30 AM »

Its just a pity that a lot of those who dont post anymore are the more experienced and proficient modellers.
The same can be said for some of the specialist gardening forums I post on, the majority of my posts now on them are correcting wrong advice given by people who think they know but blatently don't %)
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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2011, 02:58:08 PM »

May I add my two cents worth here? I'm one of the members who lurks in the background, and I rarely post because I have really very little to contribute. I'm a boat modeller wannabe with very little time to try and make a model. The whole Mayhem site is a learning resource for me, about models, and also about how the members feel about happenings in their country, and their lives. I have been to England and Scotland many years ago, and loved it. The posts help me to understand the regular guy's attitudes to the changes over the years. This site has Informed me enormously about model boats, and I get to know a bit about some very interesting people who I wouldn't otherwise come in contact with.
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« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2011, 05:31:30 PM »

I'm a member who has never posted on MBM, so now seems a fitting time to start!

I'm a member of two other RC model related sites, both excellent, one for RC cars and the other for model boats that put out fires  :-)) On both the ancient rule of 80/20 seems to roughly apply - 80% of input from 20% of members, in fact this is true of very many things in life. Contributors sometimes fade away for a while and others rise to the surface. Virtual friendships form and people people fall out. Off-topic banter takes place. Questions are asked and expert advice is given. Builds are documented and thousands of people enjoy, learn and are inspired by them. Advice on paint, glue, electrics, etc. etc. is readily available to help those like me who have more questions than answers.

YES, I'm a newbie - there, I've said it now, phew!

I guess joining a new forum is no different to starting a new job, it takes time to find your way around, get familiar with the dynamics and reach a point where you feel it's time to dip in. For many people this is a place to read, learn and enjoy; for others it will be a significant and important part of their lives both socially and as a model boater who in many cases finds that his hobby isn't the choice of many. For me mixing and chatting is limited to two hours on a Sunday afternoon, particularly since the local model shop closed down (sound familiar??)

I increasingly enjoy the MBM site, it inspired me to go to Wicksteed Park for the first time last weekend. I'd like to thank Martin and all those who make it possible, I had a thoroughly good time and met some lovely, welcoming and skilled people. It was clear many were great friends of long standing - I wonder how many of those friendships began as exchanges through this site or similar?

So from me, newbie, it's a big thumbs up! Forums should be diverse, informative and sociable. MBM ticks the right boxes  :-) :-)


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Re: Mayhems Numbers and Newbie's Posts
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2011, 05:47:07 PM »

Nothing unusual there either. People move on. Sometimes they get interested in something like model boats and then change to something else. All Forums have their own 'ambience' or atmosphere and you do need to adapt to that. Some people find it difficult, others take a dislike to other members and simply stop posting. Some may just get bored!

Colin


also there is the saying "a picture is worth 1000 words", and as mayhem wont show images unless you are logged in, and to log in you need to be a member, a good deal of the users who have NOT posted have probably registered to view pics, then left again
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« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2011, 08:47:49 PM »

May I add my two cents worth here? I'm one of the members who lurks in the background, and I rarely post because I have really very little to contribute. I'm a boat modeller wannabe with very little time to try and make a model. The whole Mayhem site is a learning resource for me, about models, and also about how the members feel about happenings in their country, and their lives. I have been to England and Scotland many years ago, and loved it. The posts help me to understand the regular guy's attitudes to the changes over the years. This site has Informed me enormously about model boats, and I get to know a bit about some very interesting people who I wouldn't otherwise come in contact with.
Thank you all


I'm with you iron 99, I started building a PBM model ORSV (Weather Class) back in the eighties and it's STILL not finished !!
The inspiration I get from watching, from the sidelines,as it were, the work of the very, very good builders on this forum can't be underestimated.

Living as I do in Wet'nWindy Shetland, I don't suppose she will get her bottom wet much even if she doe's get built !!

Wild plans in the head for a LARGE freelance-type tug  !!!!!

Thanks to ALL contributors to the forum -- you keep my dreams alive !
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« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2011, 08:51:05 PM »

Oops  -- somehow managed to delete "quote" from iron 99 !


sorry

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Re: Mayhems Numbers and Newbie's Posts
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2011, 09:42:08 PM »

I't the same at the club. Some people have a look round but don't join. Some do join but only come along for a few months, some give up after a year or two. Some come to every meeting but never utter a word.
Then someone will come along and within a couple of months is a major contributor to the club activities, always ready to help out etc. He may or may not make models but who cares, we're not going to complain.
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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2011, 11:50:47 PM »

Ah you mean the people who have not got the GUTS to post under there own name, then claim it was there dog , Granddad , son who did it when found out.

Peter
well you do what one member does and register TWICE on Mayhem. That way there's always someone to agree with themselves. Registering twice and using two different names shouldn't be allowed. No doubt no i'll get a PM from this member with threatening overtones AGAIN!
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« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2011, 12:25:20 AM »

I forgot what i was really going to type... funny that...

But out of all the statistics being thrown in who really cares? i don't thre forum is a community to share ideas and help those who don't know the answers.

I'm a big believer in self help, don't get me wrong i will give advice in areas i know and its usually from experience in doing such things but i would like to see more posts with...

''Im new bla bla bla, im building this bla bla bla, i want to know how to do this bla bla bla, i have a rough idea about doing it like this.. bla bla bla, could this work or are there other ways?

There is so much information out there that can help people with no knowledge, in little time learn a lot and that's not even being on the forum!
Most of my knowledge is 2nd hand passed from father to son, the rest is skills learnt at college, work and trial and error, most 'newbies' i use that loosely, have limited knowledge and skills when model making, i myself started with RC cars, electrics, Nitro's and i scratch built a 1:5th scale car (everything but the running gear engine wheels etc.) but my time in boating is limited to only a few years, but the techniques are all the same regardless of the models made generally, but yet they may just need a bit of encouragement to get going.

I do think for a new person on the forum it can be overwhelming especially with some topics in the chit chat section, i love a good banter and rant sometimes ( and not afraid to type what i think) , but these sections can put off new members as they think were all stuck up twits ( i know i am!)  and that is probably where some of the issues lie within these sections, Peter is right, if you don't like the topics don't read them or post in them, but some topics are hard not to post a feeling or comment sometimes and you end up getting shot down ( i do regularly!) these sections are highly moderated by admin, but i do think that maybe the forum could be better off with out them all together, ''not there no temptation'' even for those with more self control them myself  {-)

The forum is a good source of information but some self help should be taken when information is provided to be sure its right to start with, remember the rule? ''measurer twice cut once..'' If i was honest ( to honest some times.. gets me into trouble!)  i take all information from here as a pinch of salt until i can find evidence of its accuracy else where, there are very few i trust to provide information that i know will be accurate with out checking as anyone can just copy and paste information from another site with out checking what's really there and passing off info as their own.

If at all unsure do what i do, ask question... post reply's right or wrong, if your wrong you learn the right way soon enough! And just have a laugh about it. ( i do down the lake always a giggle about this place at times)  End of the day your only a few pixels on a screen which don't mean a lot to anybody all that matters is your attempting to make an effort in the forum constructively most of the time and that is appreciated by everyone and those who don't, aren't worth knowing  :-))
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Re: Mayhems Numbers and Newbie's Posts
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2011, 01:14:47 AM »

I think I understand what you're saying, Roadrunner, but I also think that, in most cases, newbies who ask a question do get the information they're looking for. I know some people are too lazy to find out for themselves, and simply ask a question here hoping someone else will do the research for them, but I believe they are in the minority. I agree that some of the information given needs to be treated cautiously but, generally speaking, most of it is good, coming from experienced modellers only too willing to pass their knowledge on to others.

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« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2011, 03:00:36 AM »

Whilst I agree in essence with the majority of commentary, we must not lose sight that all are different and do not have same abilities/results.

For example, I have trawled the web looking for answers to no avail but was amazed at the results posted by others, who have found the answer 'out there', where I couldn't. A few regular posters are in this catergory and I often wonder "how in the hell did he find that.

Yes some are lazy and don't want to reinvent the wheel, whereas others don't have the 'technical' know how.

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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2011, 07:25:33 AM »

 why do so many people seem anti answering questions unless the poster has trawled through the internet first. if i am able to help i do. isnt that what the forums are supposed to be about.  :-)
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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2011, 08:13:57 AM »

why do so many people seem anti answering questions unless the poster has trawled through the internet first. if i am able to help i do. isnt that what the forums are supposed to be about.  :-)

Well said :-))

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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2011, 08:52:08 AM »

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why do so many people seem anti answering questions unless the poster has trawled through the internet first. if i am able to help i do. isnt that what the forums are supposed to be about.

Well, if it is one of the more common questions then maybe it is fatigue! Answering what is basically the same question over and over again does take time and people may be reluctant to do this when the answer is maybe just a couple of search words away. Sometimes the best answer can be to direct the enquirer to the relevant topic but then you have done the searching for him!

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« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2011, 10:52:17 AM »

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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2011, 11:46:40 AM »

I agree with both sides here which don't make to much sense but you all make valid points. Me i will help anyway i can ( Martin proved that with the link  %%) i don't mind answering question day in and out even if the same, i will link to posts that I've answered before as it saves writing it out again maybe that's a bit lazy but still it answer the question, where as many just get bored with the repetitiveness of it all.

Bait boats are a good example of the common question , which i did suggested a while back to Martin that maybe they should have there own section, but as the questions really are the same there is no point, just refer them to previous posts that answer the questions they ask.

Skill levels among people are varied, i like to think I'm in just below the professional level, (few more years needed yet.) But the knowledge is there and i don't mind sharing it. I've worked in the design and manufacturing areas for over 10 years now i have something to fall back on, where as many don't have that luxury or level of education in these area's, we forget that a lot of people doing these hobbies simply work in factory's or behind shop counters with very little or no education in design, mechanical, engineering etc. I have 2 of those 3 skills and i still worked in a factory for years until it was spotted i knew more then i let on.

This is why i wrote the 'using the search Facility' topic, (re-written by Martin) to encourage new people with some 'self help' and why i wrote the post which Martin refured to with the links the right places to help with out repetitive posting, its still help at the end of the day and in the right way.

I have a few motto's and one i use a lot ' If you don't have a go you will never learn' I have have no issues with showing or telling  or doing it for someone, how its done right or wrong, but after a period of time i would expect this person to attempt it themselves and only look for reassurance of what there doing is right, then have the work done for them.

I don't know ifs its laziness, lack of effort to learn, lack of effort to try or they simply they don't know, but when a questions asked here isn't it better to answer it, even if its linking to places they may not have expected which will inevitably help them in the long run, i believe so.

Our hobbies are in threat of being killed off by not encouraging people to take it up, i've heard comments recently that '' oh modelling is an old man's hobby'' but at a recent show last weekend i had a few children no more then 5-8 ask me for a go on my tug which i let them, i encourage my daughter to do it, and i will my son once he's at an age where he can understand better. If i can get 1 person in my entire life to take up the hobby (even if its not boating) i know i did something right.

Schools no longer teach basic skills in metal work, the wood work they might learn is pathetic to be honest and a failing on the governments and educators side which i do think needs addressing.

Computers seam to be a way of life that's far to addictive in this day and age I've said this before, but in this instance with the forum if directed properly can and should be an invaluable source of information where people can learn, but its up to US to encourage that.

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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2011, 09:09:34 AM »



Schools no longer teach basic skills in metal work, the wood work they might learn is pathetic to be honest and a failing on the governments and educators side which i do think needs addressing.

Computers seam to be a way of life that's far to addictive in this day and age I've said this before,



 

Essentially I agree with that.  My kids school does have a good DT dept but its only as good as the teacher.  It is interesting to note that even the teacher regards my boys as "odd" and says so, because they can all solder, use a lathe, cut wood to length and MAKE stuff, all before he gets them in the DT labs!

My eldest son has just started GCSE s and his DT exam offered him a choice of stuff to make.  He chose the only interesting piece, a single cylinder steam engine.  All the other lads chose coffee tables and bookshelves and the like: most result, least effort!

I think forums like MBM are essential today though for helping out not just beginners but everyone, and all members need to understand their place, I think.  On MBM for example I am almost always "on receive" because my forty years of modelling has been almost exclusively in the aircraft field.  On the model and full size plane forums I give advice and help, on MBM I take it.  Because of the these different  positions in the food chain I try to moderate my activity: on MBM I try (honest I do!) to ask only the stuff I need to know and cant clarify on-line and I try to feed back what I did with the advice.  All the advice re the Footy class stuff and latterly the Odyssey yacht was well received , ended up in models and on youtube.  The advice was spread to my boys and beyond.

I intend to run some sort of build thread with my submarine too.

I do know that what annoys me on other forums is where people ask for advice then ignore it, or they just go away so one never knows whether the advice worked, or and maybe this is age, when they ask questions that can clearly be answered with a little effort on their part.  I hate laziness, physical and intellectual.

To all the great helpers I have used here on MBM, thanks you! :-))

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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2011, 08:23:11 PM »

dont let my wife see you at blackpool then you will have to explain your very insidious remark ...
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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2011, 06:54:28 PM »

I am a also a Newbie here. After a month on the site I have found it informative, interesting, helpful & fun. I have a limited amount of time for my model boating, so the forum helps me to find answers quickly from the knowledgable modelers on here. That is why I joined as the information is compressed into a compact space & generally accurate. As a member I feel if I have expertise that can help another member I should pass it on unconditionally & not be second guessing that they should have found it for themselves, to me that is the main reason for the forum in the first place. I know very little about model boat building but lots on here do. I have always been flattered when someone asks me for information, why? because they are assuming that I know something that they don't. As an Auto Tech for some 48 years I have had a massive  amount of exposure to things mechanical & related products. Among this information may be some that is revellant to our boat building hobby, I feel I have an obligation as a forum member to pass that knowledge on. I have found that most organisations also have a social side. Many of my friends have come from these sources. I would say to my fellow members, relax, learn from others, respect their points of view, be SLOW to criticise & QUICK to praise, Life will be much more enjoyable that way, Mick B.
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