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Heavy Weather Sailing
« on: September 16, 2011, 04:54:19 PM »

I sail on a lake on the Humber Estuary which is open to winds for most of the year.
I can normally sail my Marblehead on a C rig without any problems when we have a
good breeze. However, the lake has dropped a foot and Red Biddy (my Marblehead)
is bouncing off the bottom. I have a modded Victoria which I can sail most of the time
but I would like a heavy weather short keeled yacht as piloting electric boats around
the lake is a bit boring when I could be Sailing
So, what do the experts sail in heavy weather ?
300cm keel would be ok Beaufort 6 Max

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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2011, 10:59:25 AM »

I don't know what experts would sail in this class. But, you could go scale and have something with shallow draft and reefable sails. Then you could have the best of both worlds, full sails on the calm days and take a few tucks in the rig on the windier days.
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2011, 01:26:45 PM »

Look at 1m or Victor V32, and also consider the equivalent of 'C' sails. V32 have a small draft.

I don't thing there is any simple answer here, but the answer is probably in the sails. Same as real life.
Somebody else mentioned reefing, you mentioned 'C' sails. It would imply that sails are the issue.
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2011, 02:13:53 PM »

I would go for a second hand IOM yacht with 3 rigs or there called an 'A' 'B' and 'C' rig your will be able to sailin all conditions even the extreme!
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2011, 03:15:02 PM »

I think his problem is also one of shallow water. Do the IOM boats have a shallow draught?
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2011, 03:21:14 PM »

I am looking for a shallow keeled boat
My Marblehead has a 400cm fin (bottom of keel to bottom of bulb)
If the lake had not gone down by nearly a foot I would have no problem
as I have A,B & C rigs and can normally sail in almost any wind
An IOM would still be bouncing off the bottom.
It's not a sail issue  but a draught issue.
Anyone know of scale roller reefing as I would not want to go
back to the days of my youth with reef points and cringles
on whalers and cutters.

Ned
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2011, 04:12:28 PM »


It's not a sail issue  but a draught issue.

I think it is both
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2011, 04:25:08 PM »

TT
I should know what the issue is.
I am looking for a shallow draught hull with reasonable performance in all kinds of weather
I expect to change sails to suit the wind speed.
My Victoria is ok up to a point. I suppose I could make a set of heavy weather sails for it
but it would mean re-rigging every time the weather dictates.
I'm looking for a hull with a fuller fore end  so I have a little more buoyancy to keep the bows from
digging in too much on a run in gusts. If I can find a hull to suit I will make the sails to suit.


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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2011, 05:05:56 PM »

The Radio A class and the Six Metre class are both shallow draught, and could be what you are looking for.
The Traplet site here

http://shop.traplet.com/browse.aspx?c=66&page=2

shows some Pics of the Orca II  and the Force 6 ; this might give you some ideas.

Edward.

PS     you could also think about something different, such as the Metcalf Moonbeam.   :-)
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 02:30:56 PM »

Well,

that's why I build and sail classic yachts in scale 1:5. I can transport them without big problems and they have a draught of only 250 mm. By the way, my skerrys go really good through waves.

For heavier weather (over beaufort 5) I will make some smaller sails in the future.

Regards

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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 09:48:11 AM »

Hi Ned,

Have you come to a decision yet?

Edward.
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Re: Heavy Weather Sailing
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 04:41:45 PM »

Edward Hi
Still keeping my options open
Anything bigger (LOA) that a Marblehead
will not fit across my MPV
Something around a metre with three
different size swing rigs would be perfect
I might go down the build route but a
suit of sails is not my forte

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