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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2006, 10:09:05 pm »

Bluebird ? you need a whitemetal or plastic prop!!! ?Peter
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2006, 10:09:30 pm »

Best in show
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2006, 10:10:32 pm »

The third was scratch built and the first was a kit.
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2006, 10:33:26 pm »

I know that its human nature, but do we really need to judge models at a show? It seems to me that the builder is the only real judge that counts.It could be that while I am sure that they are well intentioned it is the judges who get the kicks out of the whole process.
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2006, 11:29:24 am »

Oh dear- the same discussion running in Germany on shows.......  ::)

I have refused, to show any of my models on a competition. A judge I use to know asked me why. My answer: I will attend, when I have seen the best of your boats, though that I know what kind of craftmanship you will relate in judging a model. (I have never seen a model from him).
By the way, I still mis his answer.

As a result from that I do my boats the best I can and try to improve from boat to boat for my own satisfaction. Don`t need a guy with a ruler and a caliper to charge my boat.

And about the gloss paint- I never used it. Either matt or satin- and that`s it!

About the lates model I guess you would win a medal in Germany as well!  ;D

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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2006, 01:05:45 pm »

I have never nor never will enter anything I build in a show. It may seem selfish but I only build for myself (Son included) and as long as my son and I enjoy what we have built then the rest is irrelevent.

I display at exhibitions and I look forward to chatting with other builders ex-sailors etc but as for competitions its not my cup of tea. Too many judges are inconsistant with their marks, I agree with Jorg, MCR etc Judges tend not to be rational.

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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2006, 02:30:18 pm »

Daryl- to me it does not sound selfish anyway. I am with you- I do the boats for my pleasure and for my son (age 12)....- I try to share my knowledge and love to meet up and chat with other modelers. Once a year I visit a show as a participant where I meet up with my mates from the UK. This is my way of modeling-life- I can not afford to travel 1000 miles a year for visiting or entering competitions. 1000 Miles means 100 Litres of gasoline, means 135 Euros. That`s a new speedcontroler or the basics for a new boat. Might sound hard and I don`t want to charge anybody who is entering a competition. It needs lot?s of enthusiasm to do it and these modelers earn my respect. But it`s not my world.
Every bird sings his own song.....

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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2006, 06:02:13 pm »

very sensible and realistic replies. love all the model shown here. very interesting that so many people agree with each other and myself. love to hear from a judge. should liven things up.
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2006, 06:21:39 pm »

Very strange thinking on the part of the judges if a good scratchbuild can be beaten by even an exceptionally well made standard kit model. The actual modelling skills required may be comparable, but with a genuine scratch build there's an awful lot of additional stuff involved, not to mention all the necessary research and other aspects, all quite a bit cleverer than assembling ready made components to end up with a model that's more or less identical to hundreds or in some cases even thousands of others built from the same kit. I suppose it depends to some extent on the size of the entry, but because the skills requires are so different, I'd say it was illogical to judge scratch and kit models together in any case. Don't want to make you even more big-headed than you are already Bluebird, but a very nice model. Any chance of some technical details and maybe one or two interior pics?
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2006, 05:20:22 pm »

Hi all,

sea trials today - pouring with rain but still took her down for sea trials - she did quite well - I need slightly bigger props on her and not too sure about the Action mixer control.

Here is the laugh, the better half accompanied me, and whilst standing taking photographs a duck deposited a photograph of his own splat on her head!!  ::)   ;D   ;D good job it wasnt a swan or she would have been bombed for sure.

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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2006, 11:26:35 pm »

She's looking lovely, John. Well done.  Nice to see her in the water - I love the moment when you first drop a newly finished model into the lake and see her go off under her own steam for the first time... :)

And to go along with comments already made - I think the best judge of how good a model this is, is yourself.  In fact you're the only person qualified to judge it in depth.  You know everything about it, no-one coming along and looking at it for the 1st time could ever know how much work has gone into it, what problems have been overcome and how well, or even how well it's been built.

If you're happy with it (and it sounds like you rightly are), then at the end of the day that's all that matters.
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2006, 08:54:50 pm »

Hi All

I have waited a while to give my opinion on 'judges' - as this was my first and last model for judging.? After reading all the posts above, and actual building and sailing the model - I know where the real enjoyment comes from - not from looking at certificates and medals for a well built model - but, actually building the model and having the enjoyment of sailing it.? ;D

As far as judging goes, when I actually entered this model into the competition to be judged, I was under the impression (from the Entrance Form that I completed) that there were three categories to be judged independently - kit built, semi-kit built and scratch built.? I didnt think they were all going to be judged against each other - now it seems very strange to me - and very unprofessional the way in which it was done.

So, for anyone who is entering a competition for the first time, I would suggest they thoroughly check out how it is to be judged.? :-\

Dont get me wrong, when I saw the high standards of the scratch built models, I knew I was well beaten by higher standards? ;D

What shall I build next - I dont know? ??? ??? an Airfix kit???? ;D

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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2006, 09:22:12 pm »

yet again i agree with you. only entered for judging once, long time ago, lost out to a plank of wood. no joke you could see the wood grain on what was supposed to be steel. oh well, i did get a lot of sympathy. i totally agree that the joy is in the building. i have spent years building a model and its been out on the water maybe for 5 hours at the most. but it is nice when people tell you its a good job you have done and ask how you did something, nice to share.
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2006, 07:00:41 pm »

You should have won.
 
Discounting the talent it took to build? a scratch built model like that you were very brave to choose such a distinctive colour scheme and far more original than any "built to the letter" of the instructions kit.
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2006, 10:39:19 pm »

I did stupidly agree to be one of the judges in a local model club open day.
Never again!!
The other judges had very little idea about ships so couldnt be relied on to know if any equipment was correct or even useable.
They were impressed with GRP hulls and marked DOWN scratch built.
Opened my eyes and would never agree to be a judge again.
I am not saying you have to be a sailor to judge but the winner in exact scale had solid handrails outboard of the liferafts, but I was told the paintwork was very good!!
As I said never again.

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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2006, 12:10:45 am »

Hello there , I'm just a novice at the scratch built boats,or as we call them Freelance models, Well done, and be proud of what you have done TTFN Pat,
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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2006, 11:20:40 am »

Hi Freelance,

As I understand it Scratchbuilding and freelance are different aspects. Scratchbuilding requires intrer alia research/working from a plan and making all/most bits yourself. The boat can be a scale model or a freelance subject. 'Freelance' is building a boat that has no particular prototype and therefore is not 'true' scale. You could buy a kit for a freelance model.

However, call it what you like.

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Re: FAIRMILE B in MOUNTBATTEN PINK
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2006, 12:31:02 pm »

Hello,
 Can some one explain the reasoning behind the " MOUNTBATTEN PINK " colour scheme?.
Was it camouflage, or just a whim.
In a group of other boats it would stick out like a sore thumb !!.
Why was the boat not painted Grey, like all the others?.
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« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2006, 06:20:37 pm »

John,

Mountbatten Pink - also called Plymouth Pink - it is a Naval camouflage pigment invented by
Lord Louis Mountbatten of the British Royal Navy in Autumn 1940 - during WW2.  Mountbatten was on escort duty with a convoy and noticed that one ship in the group vanished from view much earlier than the remainder.  A Union Castle liner that was still painted in its pre-war medium Lavender mauve grey colour.  Mountbatten became so convinced of this pigment's efficacy as a camouflage during the dawn and dusk periods that he had all of the destroyers of his flotilla (the fifth flotilla painted with a similar pigment, a medium grey (507B) with a small amount of Venetian Red mixed in .   By early 1941 several other ships captains began using the same camouflage, though no formal testing was done to determine how well it worked.

One of the anecdotal and possibly apocryphal tales told in support of Mountbatten Pink was the story of the cruiser HMS Kenya (nicknamed 'the Pink Lady' at the time, due to her Mountbatten Pink paint, which during Operation Archery covered a Commando raid against installations on Vagsoy Island off the Norweigan coast.  The Germans fired on the Kenya for several minutes with coastal guns but she sustained only minor damage from the near misses.  This was attributed to her Mountbatten Pink camouflage blending in with the pink marker dye the Germans were using in their shells, preventing German spotters from distinguishing between shell splashes and the ship.

A later refinement of the basic Mountbatten Pink camouflage was the use of a slightly lighter tone of the same colour for upper structures of the ship.  By the end of 1942, however, all vessels of destroyer size and larger had dispensed with the Mountbatten Pink camouflage.  Although, it is believed some smaller vessels maintained this colour well into 1944.   The main problem with Mountbatten Pink is that it stood out at sunrise and sunset when the traditional battleship grey was much more difficult to see.

(Wilkipedia - if you wish to read more)

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« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2006, 09:01:42 pm »

Blubird,

Thanks for a very good explanation, spot on ! ! !

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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2006, 06:17:00 am »

I have seen a lot of judging done over the years and I am sure at judging school they are taught that the model which is made from a kit must win to satisfy the model shop owners and model kit manufacturers..Roy
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« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2006, 01:47:51 am »

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Bluebird, you are Da MAN!

See that JayDee chap?... the one just above your reply? Well, e's obviously on the same frequency, only he had the noodle to ask what I didn't... Why Pink???
Listen though, what a top-notch answer! I'll tell you one thing, amigo... you lot up there might not speak proper, like what we do, but by jove, you don't 'arf know how to tell a good 'un.
Secretly though, I shan't tell anyone that I reckon you copied it from a book or summat.

Anyhows, me ol' pal, thanks for that snippet of fascinating folly. That's ANOTHER beer I owe's 'e.


By the by, what're the chances of you and the tribe making a detour around these parts when you're down this way? There's a howdy-doody pub right next to the canal where they talk boat-speak and swap lies. I'll order 'em, and if you like, you can pay for 'em........
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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2006, 07:21:10 pm »

What a blooming shame then that the last Fairmile d's are up for sale at ?47,000 each , I wish!!!!! ( see this months "model boats mag") they're not pink but but they look and do the biz (or they did last year anyway).

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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2006, 07:24:14 pm »

I meant B's.........no really
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2006, 07:33:14 pm »

Hey PMK man - hoy whats this aboot us not tarking proper like up heor ?? ?Hev ya eva thowt it might be the other way aroond - and yee lot divvent nar how to bend words .....

Aye - you hit the nail on the head - I did copy it from the web about Mountbatten Pink - Wilkipedia my man good source of knowledge for one and arl.

Seriously though, my Fairmile B (the Pink Lady) as she has kindly become to be known, is now on display for a Veterans Union for the day. I think all the Veterans decided to stay at home - as its gone very cold here and pouring with rain here.? ?I have spent more time this afternoon explaining about the importance of these craft to the younger generation who didnt have any knowledge of the St Nazaire Raid.

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