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Colin Bishop

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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2012, 10:04:45 AM »

At 86,000 tons she is just medium sized by today's standards!

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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2012, 03:22:47 PM »

Colin.....I presume that the 86,000 tonnes is a "gross tonnage". As you well know, one gross tonne is only 100cubic feet of empty space. Which is what these behmoths are mainly composed of. The gross tonnage could be almost doubled by simple adding a few (literally) feet to the beam, height and length...plus a few feet on to the "girth" of the hull. A comparison of "displacement" tonnages would be more informative.
As an aside, I'd be fascinated to see a "gross tonnage" printed for our 2 new carriers, but as warships are only measured using "nett" tonnage, I doubt we'll ever know. Bryan.
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2012, 03:52:27 PM »

Just another thought......this pic appeared in the Sunday Mail "Live" supplement. I know many of you have a visceral hatred of the "Mail", but they do publish some good stuff.
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2012, 04:21:58 PM »

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Colin.....I presume that the 86,000 tonnes is a "gross tonnage". As you well know, one gross tonne is only 100cubic feet of empty space. Which is what these behmoths are mainly composed of. The gross tonnage could be almost doubled by simple adding a few (literally) feet to the beam, height and length...plus a few feet on to the "girth" of the hull. A comparison of "displacement" tonnages would be more informative.

Yes Bryan, it was GRT as that is the accepted measurement of passenger ships. However, a comparison between Gross Tonnage and Displacement tonnage can be very informative sometimes.

The old Queen Mary was 81,000 tons Gross while QM2 is no less than 151,000 tons Gross, almost twice as much. However, when it comes to displacement tonnage, which reflects the actual weight of the vessel, the two ships are much the same and in fact the earlier ship is quoted as 80,000 tons as opposed to QM2ís 76,000 tons. (The big American Nimitz class aircraft carriers displace over 100,000 tons!). Queen Mary was 1019 feet long (311m) with a beam of 118 feet (36m). QM2 is 1,132 feet long (345m) with a beam of 135 feet (41m).  But Queen Mary had a deeper draught of 39 feet (11.9m) compared with QM2ís 33 feet (10.1m) and a rather fuller underwater hull form. Basically what this means is that QM2 offers a huge amount of extra usable space on a similar displacement compared to Queen Mary which reflects shipbuilding progress, particularly in respect of machinery, over the last 70 years.

Interesting comparison isn't it?

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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2012, 09:35:22 PM »

Colin. You have just (quite splendidly) proved my point.
I suppose it's in the nature of the PR brigade to use the biggest number (of tons) as an advertising ploy. But it's all false.
Comparing 2 different methods of measurement and treating them as the same is basically dishonest.
Even here, on this site, there are many modellers who really haven't a clue about the different ways of depicting the "tonnages" of ships.
The only real way of getting a handle on it all is to look at "Displacement"....be it loaded or not. Gross tonnage as a measure of size is totally misleading.
Interesting that you quote a displacement figure for a Nimitz class carrier. A huge number, I agree, but still well below tonnages carted around by some commercial ships. And also you must (as I'm sure you do) realise that warships don't increase their weight all that much between "ful" and "empty". Cheers. Bryan.
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2012, 10:56:22 PM »

Just another thought......this pic appeared in the Sunday Mail "Live" supplement. I know many of you have a visceral hatred of the "Mail", but they do publish some good stuff.


What's 'Lusty' doing in dry dock? Are they taking her apart piece by piece or what?
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2012, 11:04:20 PM »

Hey Brian, you posting on this thread too? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=987081&page=24

Spent a facinating couple of hours looking through it 'bout ships on the Tyne  :-))
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2012, 09:16:25 AM »

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What's 'Lusty' doing in dry dock? Are they taking her apart piece by piece or what?

It's a fake made up to show the relative sizes of the two ships. I saw the image months ago.

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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2012, 01:33:44 PM »

Ah well, fooled again. Must be an age thing. Sorry. BY.
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2012, 05:24:25 PM »

Did I see a certain north sea ferry in the background of one of those photos?

coincidently...there's a documentary on telly later in the year.
 http://www.jarrowandhebburngazette.com/lifestyle/entertainment/tv_crew_at_yard_when_boat_comes_in_1_4273792

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This answer took a long time coming! Watched a TV prog yesterday about a refit of "Pride of Bruge" (P&O) and right at the end, when the ship was being dragged out of the dock, there was a brief glimpse of one of the yellow bananas.
A reasonable programme actually. A bit simplified and presented by a couple of dumbos...but worth catching on "catch-up". BY.
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2012, 07:10:40 PM »

Taken during a "River Cruise" last weekend....sort of looked a bit different to the yellow ones posted earlier. As I was in the middle of the river at the time, I couldn't get a longer view.
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2012, 04:50:40 PM »

DM should realise HMS Ocean is the largest!  %%

Served on them both  :-))

See what debate that kicks off....


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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2012, 07:14:22 PM »

Sorry. Lost me there. Who is "DM", and what has "Ocean" to do with the Tyne? Explain? BY.
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2012, 09:13:03 PM »

Bryan - I think DM stands for daily mail  and I assume rich is comparing sizes with lusty and and Ocean.
which was not your point.
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2012, 07:36:39 PM »

hi all, saw this cruiseliner in the tyne this week,  not a pretty thing in my books,     the days of the traditional liners have gone :((
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2012, 07:46:59 PM »

the last few of her,    she is probably  state of the art inside,  but still dont have that wow factor to look at,,,,, brian_c
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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2013, 09:07:45 PM »

A new video has appeared on Youtube of some of the goings on in Hebburn.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A3rj6BK-dg8#!


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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2013, 09:59:13 PM »

bit smokey on start up

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Re: The Tyne still lives!
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2013, 10:03:48 PM »

A big 9 cylinder engine that hasn't been run for two takes a while to warm up and hence the oil seals take a bit to fit properly. Looks pretty sweet though.


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