Topic: BELLY FULL OF THE TITANIC (Read 21499 times)

CF-FZG · « **Reply #50 on:** April 14, 2012, 12:43:25 pm »

Quote from: Footski on April 13, 2012, 08:16:52 am

The BBC North West News is trying to claim Titanic as one of its own....even though she never went near the place. Last night they ran a story about the heroic band playing until the end, even though that was a myth perpetuated by James Cameron and his movie....Ridiculous.

The ship's home port was Liverpool - maybe had something to do with it

What myth

You do realise there were several films about the Titanic before James Cameron's effort

and they all show the band playing at the end - as stated by survivors

CF-FZG · « **Reply #51 on:** April 14, 2012, 12:45:04 pm »

Quote from: Footski on April 14, 2012, 08:24:43 am

Ashamed to say, i have never heard of this ship.....but will read every word of that site now....Incredible and terribly sad.

Neither have I, but one thing I'm not - is being ashamed of not knowing - why should I know of it???

Quote from: mikearace on April 14, 2012, 08:37:24 am

The Titanic also pales in significance when compared to the loss of the Lancastria which the majority of public are totally unaware of.

Both the Wilhelm Gustloff and the Lancastria were casualties of war - not exactly in the same class of accident as the Titanic were they

Mark.

Circlip · « **Reply #52 on:** April 14, 2012, 12:47:11 pm »

Saves sinking yer toy boat when the ponds frozen

Regards Ian.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #53 on:** April 14, 2012, 01:41:36 pm »

Quote

Neither have I, but one thing I'm not - is being ashamed of not knowing - why should I know of it???

If you were interested in shipping, naval or military history you would probably have heard of it but not otherwise. The Gustloff sinking took place against a background of even more horriffic events in the closing stages of WW2 in Eastern Europe.

Colin

Norseman · « **Reply #54 on:** April 14, 2012, 02:13:39 pm »

Quote from: CF-FZG on April 14, 2012, 12:45:04 pm

Neither have I, but one thing I'm not - is being ashamed of not knowing - why should I know of it???

The most learned of experts started off by not knowing - so it's what you do with new input that's important.

Dave

rmaddock · « **Reply #55 on:** April 14, 2012, 02:15:09 pm »

Quote from: Norseman on April 14, 2012, 02:13:39 pm

The most learned of experts started off by not knowing - so it's what you do with new input that's important, Grasshopper.

Big Ada · « **Reply #56 on:** April 14, 2012, 05:08:20 pm »

Here is a link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128193/Titanic-fans-1-10-scale-replica-doomed-liner-opens-public-garden--sunk-council-planners.html

Len.

Footski · « **Reply #57 on:** April 14, 2012, 05:34:37 pm »

Quote from: CF-FZG on April 14, 2012, 12:45:04 pm

Neither have I, but one thing I'm not - is being ashamed of not knowing - why should I know of it???

Both the Wilhelm Gustloff and the Lancastria were casualties of war - not exactly in the same class of accident as the Titanic were they

Mark.

If I was to reply as I thought, I would get banned. Out of respect for the forum, and those that died in these tragedies,I will ignore your comments..

CF-FZG · « **Reply #58 on:** April 14, 2012, 05:38:15 pm »

Quote from: Footski on April 14, 2012, 05:34:37 pm

If I was to reply as I thought, I would get banned. Out of respect for the forum, and those that died in these tragedies,I will ignore your comments..

Oh please do, as I'd really like to hear why my comments are found to be so offensive by you!

Mark.

Richtea · « **Reply #59 on:** April 14, 2012, 06:03:53 pm »

I don't think that you can compare the deliberate sinking of ships in a war,
to an accidental sinking in peacetime.
Regards
Richard

davidjt · « **Reply #60 on:** April 14, 2012, 06:11:53 pm »

ten out of ten for effort, but sadly the council will no doubt close it down which would be a pitty as it looks great

davdj

CF-FZG · « **Reply #61 on:** April 14, 2012, 06:13:29 pm »

Quote from: Richtea on April 14, 2012, 06:03:53 pm

I don't think that you can compare the deliberate sinking of ships in a war,
to an accidental sinking in peacetime.
Regards
Richard

That was my point Richard.

Mark.

John W E · « **Reply #62 on:** April 14, 2012, 06:24:19 pm »

hi ya there Richtea

I totally agree with your statement there, about trying to compare the two.

One is virtually a deliberate sinking and the other supposedly by accident.

What makes me question a lot of things, not only about the Titanic - but other disasters of the sea - is the documentation which is released to the public. Just sat and partly watched a documentary on Discovery about the hospital ships sinkings in the First World War; where the British Government flatly denied that any hospital ship carried any form of munitions/weaponry and yet - there has been a diary handed in to a Museum (from I believe a nurse or ships doctor) where it is stated in that diary that whilst in London, certain armaments were loaded aboard a hospital ship.

If you think about it, the entry in the diary must be pretty truthful - on the other hand (even to this day) still deny that any ship carried any form of arms - so what truth have the authorities held back about the Titanic? Will we ever find out?

aye
john

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #63 on:** April 14, 2012, 07:22:40 pm »

John,

I think that all the facts about the Titanic are pretty much now in the public domain but they are all mixed up with opinions and inaccuracies that were peddled at the time and subsequently.

As for wartime, well, who knows what actually occurred then under conditions of secrecy. The hospital ships were sailing out to Gallipoli more or less empty with just the medical staff onboard so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone, somewhere, thought it might be a good idea to use them to transport war materials while they were at it. I suspect we shall never know as it would have been covered up at the time.

There is still speculation that the Lusitania was carrying ammunition when she was torpedoed which accounts for the second explosion and rapid sinking of the ship, but others say that the second blast was either coal dust igniting or a boiler exploding. Who knows?

Colin

dave301bounty · « **Reply #64 on:** April 14, 2012, 07:31:18 pm »

to anyone one interested and there must be some one.Tommorrow Sunday at 12 noon there is a service at the Titanic memorial at the Pierhead Liverpool ,the memorial was erected with help from the merchant MARINE Engineers ,dedicated to ,not only Titanic,s Engineers ,but All seafaring Engineers ....hope i,ve said that right ,,,anyway it will be quite a dedication ,and together with the men from Liverpool who went down ,it really is a must for the Titanic enthusiast .

Bob K · « **Reply #65 on:** April 14, 2012, 07:32:19 pm »

Quote from: bluebird on April 14, 2012, 06:24:19 pm

- so what truth have the authorities held back about the Titanic? Will we ever find out?

This underlines that Titanic has moved beyond fact into legend, and finally towards myth. Once the 'dry facts' have been embellished beyond what programme makers need to add to the story, and previous documentary errors are constantly retold, we tread the dangerous waters of conjecture and conspiracy theories to create 'new slants' instead of just remakes of existing data.

Roswell, Loch Ness, Pyramid theories, and Flight 19. Eventally the myth replaces actual events and becomes firmly cemented in consciousness.

eg: Just look at Walt Disney's retelling of Robin Hood. I bet this is the version most kids bring to mind if asked.

Norseman · « **Reply #66 on:** April 14, 2012, 09:24:20 pm »

I've been thinking about this war versus accident issue. If we can set aside those connected with an event
and just look at an event then it still isn't simple. A Tsunami with massive loss of life is a tragedy but is also
unnavoidable. An act of war is deliberate - but is it any more deliberate than say the National Coal Boards
actions pre/post Aberfan? Is it any more deliberate than governments who refuse to look at our planets pollution?
More deliberate than the global food and drug companies absolute greed?

If I say to that 'I dunno really I'm just a bloke' how much blame do I carry for not getting educated and involved?

Dave

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #67 on:** April 15, 2012, 04:47:33 pm »

If anyone in NI could record this for me....

SOS: The Titanic Inquiry - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01g97gf

dave301bounty · « **Reply #68 on:** April 15, 2012, 08:19:25 pm »

I Was at the Service today ,at the Memorial to the Engine Room staff of Titanic ,it was quite well attended ,and very dignified with the Choir singing ,and a good service to remember.The Memorial had been cleaned up well for this event ,and I,M sure there will be documentation to record this ,I,m glad to have attended .

funtimefrankie · « **Reply #69 on:** April 15, 2012, 08:51:08 pm »

Quote from: Martin - Admin on April 15, 2012, 04:47:33 pm

If anyone in NI could record this for me....

SOS: The Titanic Inquiry - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01g97gf

Will it be available on the iPlayer in England...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01g97gf/SOS_The_Titanic_Inquiry/

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #70 on:** April 15, 2012, 10:20:12 pm »

I though this was terrible, Len was anyway! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01g7nwb

tobyker · « **Reply #71 on:** April 15, 2012, 10:39:32 pm »

Sorry, folks - factor of 10 is an unusually large error even for me. And the skipper of the russian submarine that sank it was sent off to the gulag. (man who knew too much?)

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #72 on:** April 15, 2012, 11:59:12 pm »

We have not been immune to the Titanic on TV here, either, with both Pay and free to air TV running Titanic related programs all day yesterday. I watched some of them and found them to be very interesting, although some are affected by so called "artistic licence". For those of you who are fed up with the coverage I offer a simple solution - change channels or turn your TV off. Similarly with the upcoming London Olympics, if you don't like it, don't watch it. I will be watching as much of it as the time difference will allow, courtesy of the pay TV dedicated channels. I was lucky enough to go to the Sydney Olympics in 2000 and would love to be able to go to those in London, but will have to settle for the TV coverage.

Peter.

Norseman · « **Reply #73 on:** April 16, 2012, 12:07:09 am »

Hi Peter

It's not a case of objecting to the actual programmes. It's just that they advertise them continuously
for weeks in advance, and even though I am not watching the tv (my wife is) it's beginning to grate
more than a little.

Dave

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #74 on:** April 16, 2012, 12:22:36 am »

I understand what you're saying, Dave, but that's no different to most "big" events on TV. The pre-broadcast advertising can become very persistent..and annoying.

Peter.

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