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MickK

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Port and Stbd lights
« on: May 28, 2012, 08:30:05 AM »

I might be getting old {:-{, but do aircraft have the same port and starboard lighting protocol as boats?
ie Port = left =red
Stb = right =green
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 10:03:35 AM »

Yes, last time I looked in the dark !  8)

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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 11:57:49 AM »

...and do they change when flying inverted %) ?  (planes not boats)
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2012, 01:26:08 PM »

...and do they change when flying inverted %) ?  (planes not boats)

No they look the same from Down here  %) %) %) O0 O0 O0
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2012, 06:39:31 PM »

No they don't. Still green and red, but as far as I know the arcs of visibility don't apply. The main light on an aircraft is the anti-collision light....the bright red flashing thing. BY.
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2012, 08:37:26 PM »

...and do they change when flying inverted %) ?  (planes not boats)

or backwards like old Isle of Mann steamers?? %% %% %% %%
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2012, 08:46:35 PM »

I think the anti-collision light is a white strobe on an aircraft and yellow rotating flasher on a hovercraft which is nearly an aeroplane if I remember correctly.
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2012, 10:20:39 PM »

 So what is

the bright red flashing thing somewhere on the top?

That nearly blinds you when standing next to it.
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2012, 10:34:00 PM »

Depends on the aircraft. Cessna have a red flasher on the tip of the tale. Always on when ignition is on.

Likes of the Piper's, they have strobes on the wing tips.

But otherwise, yes same lights as a ship as far as red and green goes. We have a landing light(s) usually on the nose and a strobe somewhere.

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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2012, 08:22:34 AM »

I am currently building from a kit and the guy who does the graphics for the boat picture on the box is clearly unaware of the protocol as the RHS of the boat has a red light. (Foreign kit!)
This happened some time ago on the cover of a Model Boats magazine as well!
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2012, 09:01:26 AM »

I am currently building from a kit and the guy who does the graphics for the boat picture on the box is clearly unaware of the protocol as the RHS of the boat has a red light. (Foreign kit!)
This happened some time ago on the cover of a Model Boats magazine as well!
regards Roy
Not unknown for the printing industry to shove a slide in back to front resulting in a mirror image.  I recall Thunder Tiger producing their ARTS fishing boats with that particular error.
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2012, 09:02:23 AM »

Thanks for the replies! :-)
We now have 2 differing answers, reply #2 and Reply #5 {:-{
 I ask the question because I thought they were the same (Red Port, Green Stb) :-))

I was watching a plane last night, it could have been an Airforce plane, flying fairly low, down the coast, close enough to hear it, but it was dark, so I couldn't see it in detail, (maybe the last surviving Hercules.)   O0

The RED light was visible, the plane was heading south, and was east of where I was sitting, and out over the sea from where I was sitting. (I live on the east coast)

If the protocol is the same for aeroplanes as it is for boats, this thing must have been flying backwards. %% %%

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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2012, 09:15:54 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigation_light

Perhaps the southbound plane was flying inverted? Maybe a bet?
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 07:37:05 AM »

I've definitly gone GaGa  %% %% <:( :embarrassed:

Next time I get the oportunity to see a plane reasonably close at night, I'll get the binoculars to make sure of what is going on! :-))

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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 08:20:43 AM »

Running lights should surely be reversed if a ship is going astern for some distance - our car ferries used to enter Newhaven stern-first when they started in 1964. The aft bridge wings were equipped with 'reversed' nav lights and the masts with reversed steaming lights.

Mind you, if a ship isn't so equipped and isn't going so far, then I guess it's just a case of the observer being aware. I've backed Meeching up the harbour at night to get back to her berth rather than turning around twice, no changes of lights then.
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2012, 12:46:56 PM »

To cope with the 7 mile sea trip from Circular Quay in the city of Sydney to Manley....[OZ places]  ....many years ago we ordered double ended ferries  O0

One engine room.....one boiler room.......two bows & two props & two deckhouses

The captain powered the vessel into the ferry terminal.........then simply went to the alternate deckhouse to take the vessel away for the alternate 7 mile trip

Vessel running lights I understand were a 24/7 requirement...& when the captain assumed control from the alternate deckhouse,  the lights switched over

We have a member Southsteyne2.......who may offer a further comment on this ..... ok2 ......Derek



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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2012, 02:05:27 AM »

I've got my computer back from the hospital now. {-) At least they copied the entire contents of my old hard drive onto the new one! :}

I can understand ferries etc having issues with lights going backwards and fowards, but not an aeroplane in the sky! %%
I'm still waiting for an opportunity to look at one flying past'
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2012, 07:53:54 AM »

I've got my computer back from the hospital now. {-) At least they copied the entire contents of my old hard drive onto the new one! :}

I can understand ferries etc having issues with lights going backwards and fowards, but not an aeroplane in the sky! %%
I'm still waiting for an opportunity to look at one flying past'
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Were not Harriers capable of going backwards????????????
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2012, 01:58:43 AM »

To cope with the 7 mile sea trip from Circular Quay in the city of Sydney to Manley....[OZ places]  ....many years ago we ordered double ended ferries  O0

The current diesel powered Manly ferries are all double ended, similar to the earlier steam driven ones. Attached is a shot of the Narrabeen arriving at Circular Quay, and the wash from both the fore and aft props can be clearly seen, as can the two wheel houses.

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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2012, 03:49:25 AM »

Peter,

That brings back memories of my time in Sydney up to early 60's. O0 O0

Remember the "Showboat" that used to go out side the heads on excursions, wow what a ride.
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2012, 05:00:18 AM »

And never forget the South Steyne with her running lights always running... :o

http://www.southsteyne.com.au/history.htm ....the very first sea trip I made........maybe 50 years ago....

Much more interesting & romantic than warships................  :embarrassed: @ sea

"Showboat".....was she not from the Captain Cook Crusing Fleet of vessels from the early 60's?....... motor & propellor driven with false side wheels? ...Derek
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2012, 06:43:45 AM »

Derek,

A beautiful ferry,

Here is the 'Showboat'

http://www.billbottomley.com.au/car_punts/ch6.pdf

The Showboat also followed the Sydney to Hobart yacht race down the harbour and out the heads to sea a short distance down the coast.
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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 12:26:34 AM »

I can just remember going for a trip on the Showboat, "Kalang", probably in the late 40s. I left Sydney as a 16 year old at the end of 1953, and it was well before that. I have a photo I took on that trip of the Spit Bridge, but I can't find it at the moment. It's probably in a box, as I still haven't unpacked everything since we moved :embarrassed: I really must get around to doing that (unpacking)  %).

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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2012, 12:36:25 AM »

Here is a photo of the South Steyne I took in November 2009. I have posted it on the forum before, but that post may have been lost in the meltdown.

She is used as a floating restaurant/function venue, and its web site is here http://www.southsteyne.com.au/index1.htm

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Re: Port and Stbd lights
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2012, 02:09:38 AM »

 Beautiful photo.

Getting a bit old now, but if i recollect correctly, there was a similar Manly ferry, North Head.
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