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Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« on: June 01, 2012, 11:43:04 PM »

This photo was taken this evening at 21 30 by Mr Brian (Saxophone) Jones, whilst taking the air on New Brighton promenade. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2012, 01:27:22 AM »

 :embarrassed: ...loverly snap Nick...I just love those golden & pinkish sky colored  hues....& the reflection on the water is superb  >>:-( %% .............Derek
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 01:47:54 AM »

I just wish there was a picture but as there isn't hear are a few I took on Wednesday night at New Biff

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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 06:54:44 AM »

...thanks HS93 , I thought it was me not seeing things!
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 07:58:28 AM »

I can't see any photos in Nick's post either {:-{

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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 08:04:33 AM »

No relation to Brian B6 Jones or the late pop "star"  >>:-(
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 08:12:53 AM »

Nor can i
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 12:35:11 PM »

Was it very foggy Nick?  {-)
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2012, 05:33:40 PM »

oops, forgot to include the photo, silly me :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 05:42:35 PM »

Nice sunset, shame about the eyesores spoiling it though.

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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 08:23:36 PM »

Better straightened up ?





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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 08:59:13 PM »

Indeed! :-)) :-)) :-))
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2012, 12:19:38 AM »

Great photo, Nick :-)) (now that I can actually see it  O0 )

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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2012, 12:26:52 AM »

There's a Mersey down under too Peter (in Tasmania)


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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2012, 01:02:42 AM »

Nice sunset, shame about the eyesores spoiling it though.

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The sight of clean energy an eyesore, how bout a lovely coal powered station for you ;D


 Bełchatów Coal Power Plant

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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2012, 01:39:06 AM »

The sight of clean energy an eyesore, how bout a lovely coal powered station for you ;D

 Bełchatów Coal Power Plant

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I quite like industrial landscapes,  The wind farm, I think, adds depth to the picture, and like it or not, renewable energy is here to stay. Up close, wind generators are most impressive structures, especially when they are in motion. Nice picture of the power station Nick.

Nick. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2012, 01:55:38 AM »

I thought my imagination was pretty close to the final image  %) 

Pink...golden...reflection over the water..... :P .....Derek
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2012, 08:15:54 AM »

I too like industrial landscapes and the pic of the coal fired station is good in its own right. It can make power reliably and on demand, not like wind farms.

Yes, renewable energy is here to stay, but, at a cost both visually and financially.

My observations on wind farms are:

1. The actual load factor is significantly less than was suggested when development started, now typically less than 30% (http://www.ref.org.uk/publications/217-low-wind-power-output-2010)

(Load factor is the relationship between maximum capacity and actual production over a period of time. E.G. if an installed wind turbine has a maximum of 5Mw, but actually produces 2Mw continually over a day, the load factor for that day is (5x24)/(2x24) = 25%)

2. The subsidies paid to renewables, whilst morally correct, in the case of wind farms is not the best way to spend the money. Tidal power should be receiving far greater support - its predictable and reliable.

3. The wind envelope that most wind farms can operate in is between 6 and 25 m/s. Off the Cumbria coast there is a big development of wind farms. The indicated average wind speed at 75m above sea level is in the region of 9m/s, (these wind mills have a hub height of 75m and are 120m from sea level to top of the rotor disc.)  The East Irish Sea wind farms have a maximum efficiency wind speed of 14m/s. The power produced by wind has a cubic ratio to wind speed. This means that if the wind speed halves, the power output drops by a factor of 8.

4. Wind farm output cannot be reliably predicted. What this means in reality is that other forms of power generation has to be kept ready to react at very short notice. Often plant is running at low output, ready to load up as required. This plant is then running at very low efficiency levels and thus costing more to run, adding to the overall cost of electricity to the consumer.

Typically, for every 10Mw of installed wind capacity, there needs to be about 5Mw of reserve generation ready to react to changes in wind generation.

Further, at these output levels the emissions to atmosphere are notably higher (but still within consent limits) than would be the case at full load.

5. They are ugly. The view from the coast at Walney Island has been ruined by the wind farm developments. There are more to come as well. There is a very large area of the East Irish Sea and Mersey Bay  that has been allocated for potential wind farms.

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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2012, 09:04:01 AM »

The maths etc aside, I like them, and one day, I will sally forth and joust with these giants of the sea........ :-)) :-)) :-))

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2012, 10:48:33 AM »

No they are not "the" solution, but part of a multi faceted network of different technologies, problem is no-one wants them in their back yard, and the fact of the less turbulent wind over the sea. Tidal is fantastic but also presents its own issues. We should be embracing all these technologies as well as making personal changes but.... we live in selfish times.

That was the nicest power station photo I could find on a quick trawl. there are plenty of ugly ones as well.

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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2012, 11:12:58 AM »

I like this one, but, I have to declare an interest - I've worked there for 21 yrs :o
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2012, 12:38:16 PM »

..or this ?
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2012, 01:23:43 PM »

It is possible to get pics without these damed awful whirrly things in them. One is midsummer (2210) the other midwinter (1555) you chose which. (the 3rd June 2012 is vertually the same as the 3rd June 1953 i.e. cold and wet  :(( )
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2012, 01:23:44 PM »

It is possible do pics without tyhose dammed whirrly things getting in the way one is take midsummer (2210) the other midwinter (1555) you chose which going to todays weather much like the 3rd June 1953.
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Re: Sunset over The Mersey Estuary
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2012, 07:42:31 PM »

I can't argue with Ian's numbers but I really don't mind having them  whirlygigs in sight.
Aesthetically they are preferable to oil rigs, cooling towers, and risking Chernobyl fallout O0

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