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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2012, 11:01:47 AM »

Biker,
If you go to MMB Website and Gallery you will see "Dodes's" conversion of the Revel Fletcher to twin screw.

http://marksmodelbits.com/

Bob

Thanks, I saw that before, even bought all the bits, then was unsure I was up to the task, so put it all away in the cupboard. However seeing this brilliant build has inspired me and I'm hoping to have it finished by the weekend! Won't be anywhere near as good as this 1, as my painting skills are awfull, but it'll float! (hopefully)
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2012, 11:06:39 AM »

Good on yer Bikerdue go man go and good luck hope she turns out great for you matey.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #77 on: August 22, 2012, 06:30:57 AM »

Think will go the way you are, namely, using the "clunky" bits also.

 O0 O0 :-)) :-))

The HR Products fittings are solid pieces and have some weight to them so I think my concern is to keep the topside weight as light as possible but at the same time I really like working with the styrene plastic kit material; you can carve it, sand it, melt it and reform it. It can be glued to itself. Wonderful stuff.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #78 on: August 31, 2012, 03:58:47 PM »

Hey there ship mates, yes my Blue Devil has arrived from the USA and I have already R/C'd it. I have however kept everything original and used the motor that came with the kit and the Gearbox. It sounds like a real chuffer haha and looks as though the gearbox is running the twin prop set up.

I am not using the cam system as re the Radio Control and will keep her as is and enjoy her. My favourite saying, just got to get the paint and will do the colour scheme as provided by the destructions.

Hey Glen are you sick ????? Have not heard from you re your build, is she water tested yet???

I had terrible troubles with keeping out the water from the prop build as per shown and I even plugged everything with vaseline as instructed but was still like a submarine.

Thank goodness for Hot Glue, a bit messy but did the job so she is nice and dry.

Did the bathtub test and nice and balanced and,  like you Glen,  I kept the battery box for my Nicad but had a spare weight from an old chinese ship that I have fitted up into the bow section and just sits on the water nicely now.

Ok , I really enjoyed the build of this one and YES it has  got 4 port holes and Yes a rotten looking radar System and Yes seams in the Depth Charges haha
But  who cares she will look great painted, and after all that's what she is built for isn't she, fun and sailing.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2012, 12:25:26 AM »

I have been 'shadowing' this thread for some time now, as the Lindbergh 'Melvin' was my earliest attempt at putting R/C in a ship.  That was in the 60's when the kit first came out.  I had a single channel Citizenship radio and a "Boat-O-Matic" from Aristocraft that was supposed to provide left and right rudder, forward, reverse and stop.  However, there was so much radio interference from the motor provided in the kit that it didn't matter how many or what sized capacitors I put on it, it would just go crazy once the 'forward' command was given, with the motor starting, stopping and reversing in spurts and the rudders kicking back and forth.   

Prior to trying to put R/C in it, I nearly lost it in some fairly heavy wind, because the cam system kept trying to turn it into the wind,and it would just sit there and heel, until the deck went under, and then the whole ship.  Had to do some swimming, and the water was COLD!!! 

That model and an unbuilt kit have been with my 'model stuff' for at least 40 years in a long box, which I just came across the other day.

I had looked at the conversion on the Model Warships forum before and at a few on the RC Groups forum, but this one is really inspiring.  FIrst time I have seen the Tom's photo-etch, which really dresses it up.

Yesterday kind of clinched the deal, because I found a Squadron/Signal USS Kidd, On Deck book that is full of photos.  I am thinking single rudder conversion, but we shall see.  Joined this Model Boat Mayhem today so I could get in on the fun.  Can't wait to see your conversion in paint!  She looks beautiful now!

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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #80 on: September 01, 2012, 01:41:53 AM »

Welcome aboard Peejay 333. Yes Glen is certainly doing a wonderful job isnt he. He just started off basic and then seems to have got right into it.
I just want to see if it floats after all this Upgrading and is not a submarine like my model was for a while there. comon Glen cant be that much left to do is there? Lets get her painted and in the Briny where she belongs haha.
Toms etch kits are really great I think and also White Ensign has a lot also, I have learned its just a matter of taking advice from fellow modellers and then checking the info they give for the Ship you are attempting to build, I say attempting as I am not the greatest builder either but with the help and taking my time instead of  going like a bull at a gate like I used to, a nice model can be done. My Blue Devil is going down to the Billabong today to check the Hull integrity and all running gear is functioning correctly, just waiting for battery charge then the dog and I are off, I think she will go aok.
I am really looking forward to (After I finish the 3 I am doing} the build on the Missouri battleship that is coming. Now that will get the Upgrade treatment from me oh and of course the Nimitz. See Peejay with help, I didnt know that you could even buy Etch Parts from Toms to upgrade the Aircraft on Nimitz, unbelievable what you learn from forums like this.
Ok Glen over to you Skipper lets get a move on you have done as She who cooks has told you, been over a week now????
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2012, 01:58:48 AM »

Hey Glen just to prove it,
Remember the Basics haha



My mum always said "Go back to basics laddie"

Hows about a PM and I will discuss with you re sending me some of your anchor etc Mods to me here Down Under for  my Virgin Blue Devil
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2012, 03:10:33 AM »

Hi Shipmates,
Here is Blue Devil undergoing her bath tub testing before we head off down to the Billabong for her Hull trials. Notice how nicely she is balanced. Water leaks have been stopped, wonderful what Hot glue and Modelling Paint can achieve haha.
I am happy with the result so far just want to see how she performs under STEAM.

How is your build going Raaartygunner????

Haven't heard from Bikerdude re his Tamiya Fletcher ????






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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2012, 10:25:22 AM »

Hi Shipmates,

How is your build going Raaartygunner????



Charles,

In line waiting for bits and pieces, motor shafts etc.

Have to finish the Linberg PT first.

Not enough hours in the day  <:( <:(
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #84 on: September 01, 2012, 05:30:55 PM »

It is amusing, isn't it? The opening line of disdain is all too familiar. It is an oft-heard refrain, the first of which I heard when perusing this article many, many moons ago:

http://www.steelnavy.com/BDFletcher.htm

I am of the belief that you can get the ship to look "right enough" and the added enjoyment of being a part of history, in a long line of others who have built this kit and continue to do so, is somehow too great to pass up. I would also petition Glen to supply us with copies of all the mods he has made, for a fair price of course... O0

Hey Harquebus I had a look at that link and hey Glen I like the opening address haha JUST INSPIRES YOU TO PRESS ON REGARDLESS.
Have a read of this haha Only first few lines though.

Hi Everyone,
This is my first Fletcher build DD-555. It's based on probably the worst Fletcher kit known to man the 1/125th scale Lindberg Blue Devil.
I'm doing a lot of scratch work to correct many of the kit's flaws. I,m using Toms PE, HR Porducts guns, Props by Gordon Briggs, and Lifecolor Paints. The kit will also be converted to RC.

Well here's where I'm at as of 3/4/12.

There you are good stuff and I am waiting for delivery of mine haha, I might shift to the Escort Destroyers for Nimitz after that rermark haha
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2012, 12:11:39 AM »

Hello I just wanted to say to Harquebus what a terrific link and thank you great Inspirational stuff in that build also.
I am studying it immensley.
I agree with your comments re Glen.
 ;) {-) O0 :D
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2012, 01:40:24 AM »

Hello I just wanted to say to Harquebus what a terrific link and thank you great Inspirational stuff in that build also.
I am studying it immensley.
 

Ditto  O0 O0 :-)) :-))
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #87 on: September 04, 2012, 02:00:09 PM »

Bad news on the Blue Devil haha i thought it might happen but had to try. The motor and gearbox supplied in the Kit did a backflip when I took her to the Billabong,(It does say in the kit motor not designed for R/C) so now it's 2 x 380 motors and single rudder going into her as I speak. I have started mods as per Link supplied by harquebus and  will be a while to get her up now but will get there. Now we will have to retest to see if she is a Submarine in disguise or not again haha.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #88 on: September 05, 2012, 09:46:32 AM »

I think many have decided to convert it to single rudder as well, including me (if I ever get around to building again). It has often been said that the Fletchers built at the end of the class' numbering sequence (DD-799 or DD-800 to DD-804) had twin rudders, sort of serving as a test bed for the Sumner class destroyers (which had twin rudders) and I often accepted that as factual but now there is some new info that seems to contradict that. The following thread throws some light on the issues and show some photographic history:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=8105&start=655

Of course that means the USS Melvin would have had a single rudder but the kit depicts it with twin rudders so that's just one more way the kit is inaccurate. For simplicity's sake, a single rudder would be better and propeller and propeller shaft maintenance would be easier as one wouldn't have to remove the rudders to remove the shafts. Just a thought. I think, however, that twin rudders provide a tighter turning radius whereas a single rudder would exhibit the manueverability problems the real Fletchers had (a wider turning radius).


Yesterday kind of clinched the deal, because I found a Squadron/Signal USS Kidd, On Deck book that is full of photos.  I am thinking single rudder conversion, but we shall see.  Joined this Model Boat Mayhem today so I could get in on the fun.  Can't wait to see your conversion in paint!  She looks beautiful now!

PeeJay
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2012, 11:29:53 AM »

Yes all in place now re Blue Devil and just got to screw and glue where necessary and a bit of filling to do where the old fittings were. I have decided that the now spare rudders will be of a great benefit to my other build on the Nimitz and they fit into place perfectly along with my other creations.
Is Mr Davis Sick or on holidays or just having a breather I guess he has earned it with all the work done. Hope all is well mate.
Charles {:-{
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2012, 03:14:52 PM »

Armo61,

Ever hear of thread-hijacking? I was cognizant of this when weighing in on this ongoing thread but felt I had something that needed to be shared, you know, to guarantee our collective success in this endeavor.  :-))

Anyway, I think you and I both have put this thread on life support or taken it over completely, I cannot decide which. Until Glen comes back...  <:(

Armo61: your so-called progress is mere fantasy unless you provide concrete evidence (photos)... O0
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2012, 12:39:45 AM »

RE your comments Harquebus yes I just did not know if I should start a new thread or as this one seems to deal with the Lindberg Fletcher and other Fletcher builds that I should post information on here and maintain my utmost support for Glens build.
I have pictures but do not know whether it is correct to post here on Glen's excellent build, perhaps I should wait and see but if opened up to a say Lindberg Fletcher Build generally then I would feel more at ease.
He certainly has brought o lot of people interested in a build together though and as you know a few people have now advised of their Kits ;D and Fletcher ownership.
SO what does one doe Harquebus, Post or start a new build thread of the same ship which I feel would be out of place.
It's like the Sovremenny one started to build then all joined in showing builds photos and giving advice???
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2012, 12:54:10 AM »

Charles,

You could contact him via a PM, you will find contact details in his profile.

Also thread already relates to Linberg conversion, so it is not hijacking but adding to it. Moderators often merge threads on same/similar subject.
Some of the references supplied by others, for example RC site, indeed have posts by several people of their solutions, pics, changes, etc on the Fletcher.

If in doubt ask Martin AKA as Lord and Master of Mayhem (In reality site owner)
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2012, 05:03:11 AM »

Yes Raartygunner I did not really bring the issue up but I would imagine Martin has already had a view of what is going on so I am sure that he will fix if something is not correct.
Re PM with Glen mate, I don't really know him very well like probably some of the other members. I am sure he will pop up when he is ready to continue, until then I guess we will as you say just have to add our bits and pieces on the Fletchers to assist and maybe help other members, and also get help which I need haha in return.
So if Martin does'nt mind I will just add some pikkies of the start of my Fletcher build or start a new topic???.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #94 on: September 06, 2012, 11:31:36 AM »

Hi guys

Very sorry not be on the thread for a few weeks buts you know with kids away Mrs and had a holiday which was cut short due father being rushed to hospital so as I'm sure can understand the build came to grinding halt. All is well now and i will be resuming work today.

I've just read through all the posts in my absence sounds like your have as much fun with your Lindy's as I am.

I know your thinking about converting to single rudder and I have think I'll put my pennies worth in at this point. I stayed with twin rudders for a very good reason and before you all butcher your hulls hear my reasoning then do what you want  :-)). The real single rudder Fletcher's had maneuvering problems particularly at slow speed. The reason is flow over the rudder itself. with a single rudder twin screw the water stream is either side of rudder and doesn't act on the rudder. with twin rudders placed directly in the stream they deflect the streams giving better turning performance. I have a twin screw single model and before being fitted with a mixer and independent ECS's was a night mare to turn. Also bare in mind these are working models only really going be seen on a lake from the water line and above so it doesn't matter whats below the waterline.

I noted you all want the bits I've made very happy to supply at cost of postage and materials.

Enjoy yourselves guys what this space I'm back  <*<
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2012, 02:29:29 PM »

Hoorray glad you are back. Very sorry to hear of your troubles but looks like all is ok now.
Yes had a bit of a chin wag while you were gone but I knew something must have been up, you have gone to far now to give up on us.
Anyhow here is the start of another Lindberg Fletcher. You are a "xxxxx" you know, I blew up the motor and gearbox that came with the kit, so I converted it to twin motors with the 2m shaft sizing and YES single rudder.
As I take your advice as gospel luckily I had not glued or set anything in place so taking your advice once again she is back to original twin rudders.
I will just have to find 2 more for Nimitz.
Here are some pictures of my rough work which has not been tidied up in any way. I have also started the upper bridge work from the link that was supplied by Harquebus and intend to go through with the same type of ship that is worked on in that link. I think it is terrific so I will do my best to at least get the paint and most of the details correct.
I believe I can correct the incorrect funnels or Stacks whatever by cutting a thin diagonal line not far under the last line and cut but not right through and then bend and glue the top to correct position. I think it would work but would have to be carefull.
I also want to order from cornwall the 10mm stanchions with the 2 eyelets is this the correct size for Upper bridge and gunnery radar site etc also around the funnels.






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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2012, 11:10:53 PM »

Hey Glen hope all is well today,
Mate I was looking at the link you gave for the Prop Shop re WW2 props. Can you help an old bloke out with the size. I havent got a clue re sizing of the props I used the Chinese motor prop shaft like what's in the Sovremenny (It came out of the Bismarck) and I am guessing it is an M2 size what ever that is?
Is it the dia of the shaft that determines the M size?
They have numerous listed there can you give me the ones used in RH and LH sizes for the Fletcher build??
Thanks Charles
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2012, 08:26:39 AM »

M2 = 2mm
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2012, 09:09:02 AM »

Hi Amor61,

Glen gave the item description for the props as follows: The props from the prop shop are WW2/1011/3/LH/BR and WW2/1011/3/RH/BR.

He did not say what size they were but I can only guess around 20-25 mm in diameter. Those are among the best I've seen having the proper hub that tapers to a point; must have something to do with speed.
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Re: USS Melvin Lindberg Kit R/C Conversion
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2012, 10:02:40 AM »

Thank you Harquebus that's what I need and thank you steve for your 2mm info.
I,m afraid Harquebus my Lindberg is meant to be single rudder.
I guess plastic just isnt meant to be moved a lot is it, and my shaft on the rudders broke off.
So Single rudder it is, water flow or not cant be helped at this time.
I will keep old rudders and work out a way to insert pins into them for future use.
By the way Harquebus you are a man of knowledge. Do you think the 5 blade props from the Nimitz kit would work in the water or are they normally just for show. Reason I ask quickly is they fit nicely onto the new shafts so at least I know the sizing of props if i can get em.
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