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Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« on: September 05, 2012, 12:16:48 PM »

A while ago I inserted a picture re a new Chinese Radio control Model that I am intending to purchase, and did anyone know perhaps the model they were trying to recreate.
I have done search after search and the closest I think is the Chinese Navy Lanzhou Class destroyers.
Here I have pictures of the Model being made and then the actual ship or class that it will represent or near enough to it.
Let me know what you think.
If I am correct she will make a very nice model.
She comes as per normal with the Vector Drive System installed, some say good others well I wont say on air.


















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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 12:25:14 PM »

Charles,

without disclosing any trade secrets, where from??

Looks interesting.   
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 12:48:32 PM »


     and what size?
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2012, 12:49:58 PM »

Hey Raarty no trade secrets between us Aussies and especially Queenslanders eh matey hahaha

The ship was purchased on Ebay for the amount of 69.00 plus 19.00 postage bringing total cost of ship to 88.00 Aussie.
There are some still for sale as I write this, so if interested check it out.

She is same make  as those who do the Sovremenny class.

I am nearly finished that one, even had special russkie decals made up for her, just got to buy upgrade kit which will be next. I so many in the pipeline Raarty busy busy busy lucky I'm a retired old gentleman.

I am waiting for mine now  been posted express this morning, and I think she has a lot of potential matey specially since she already floats eh haha

now port is on the left and whiskey is on the right roger dat tish tish tish (Ex Sig re the Tish tish haha)

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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2012, 12:51:18 PM »

Martin she is 77cm in length as far as I know be similar to Sovremenny size me thinks.
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2012, 02:42:52 PM »

Hey Raartygunner,
I mentioned before about being busy so I decided to show you on here just how busy a man can get once he gets interested or as us modellers call it
THE BUG.
Here are the projects which I am working on now.
 
Still have the Lanzhou to come and also the Tamiya Battleship BB63 Missourri which I intend to R/C also and Upgrade her with the best I can afford. The others are getting their Upgrades also but as you can see it will be a bit by bit job.

The Tugboat is another conversion and is now powered via a 540 watercooled motor running on 7.2 volts and has a seperate 11.1 lipo which powers up the working spotlights. This boat is what I use as a RESCUE craft as I learned the hard way as I told Glen, about swimming out for a Model. NO MORE.

The PT boat is one of those cheapies also and is now powered by an EDF aircraft motor with a Car ESC equipped with cooling fan and is capable of running on 11.1 but for sanity's sake I keep her on a 7.4 Lipo setup.

Then there is the 2 Destroyer kits at 1/350 to act as escort destroyers for Nimitz, now that is a task in itself to R/C those smaller beasties.

Believe it or not all are still not finished so plenty to do with each of them. A boat for each day of the week at work and weekends off for sailing and fiddling with the garden.

BUSY for goodness sakes who is BUSY?






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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2012, 06:08:53 PM »

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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 12:44:05 AM »

Yes I see that Stormbringer and thanks but with that still doesnt tell you what they are modelling does it??? I'm not sure but dealing with the Chinese I believe that you have to buy at least 10 units for them to respond or maybe more and if you can get a sample you pay nearly double.
thats why I stuck with Ebay mate.
Anyway when it arrives I will post any info on it here to give guys and gals and idea of what she is like.
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 12:59:01 AM »

Looked it up on fleabay and noted there was also a 'Bismark' for sale.

http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?LH_PrefLoc=2&_kw=radio&_kw=control&_kw=destroyer&_sop=12

Down side is that the props look like "racing" type props and not Naval.

Probabaly so the boat will 'move'
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 03:50:10 AM »

It seems there are no end to these Chinese made RTR R/C ships. It seems almost everyone became a fan of the first generation ship that very closely resembled the Russian Sovremenny class guided missle destroyer.

I am a fan of the PLA Navy and of their surface warships so this should prove very interesting. The PLA Navy ships, although they are similar to or are influenced by Russian designs, are almost wholly unique. Luda class, Luhu class, various corvettes and frigates. Good stuff that incidentally is well-represented by 1/200 Trumpeter kits. Must be why I like them so much...

Anyway, are you trying to improve upon this concept: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7270463/anchors_8162126/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#8162126?

Apologies if there's already a conversion thread or similar that I missed.
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 04:55:22 AM »

That was a great link Harquebus. Improve, I dont know?  To get models as per looking like they are the real deal, well I guess you could say YES to that be it a cheap toy or otherwise. With these chinese models I am finding out that the Better than the BASICS are there on some of them, and also the layout of motors etc helps in say saving on a complete build like a kit job.
Funny I have that cheapie aircraft carrier up in the cupboard which has been wroughted for parts over the last few years but haha she is mostly still there god bless her. I didnt know it was the Kiev they were trying to model. I thought it was some US look a like, so there you go.
I have also the Bismarck so they call it, however, I am not happy with the rear mast structure as they seem to just chuck that on all of their models including their Yamato look a like. I do however want to order their Titanic as I think she looks great as is, and will endeavour to get her very soon.
I do not think she comes in the Vector Drive System either.
See here I go again, you would think that one has enough ships but when you see something that appeals WHY NOT eh?
Thanks Harquebus. :-))
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 01:24:25 PM »

Here is a picture of a PLA version of this model.


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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2012, 03:17:53 PM »

Armo61.......do the Chinese have a different convention for the class of vessel?

The sizing ...[best guess as <4500 tons] appears more of a Frigate ..& not a Destroyer?  >>:-( ....Derek
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2012, 04:30:14 PM »

I think the whole matter deserves a bit of research. My typical source is Sinodefence.com. My initial interest was in the older Luda class destroyer; the dual raked funnels and typical layout is sort of classic, almost reminds one of a Fletcher class destroyer but I digress...  %)

The class leader is indeed Lanzhou hull number 170 but the correct designation for this class of destroyer is Type 052C (NATO codename: Luyang-II class)

See here: http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/type052c_luyang2.asp

Sinodefence is probably the definitive source for Chinese military, at least that I've been able to find.  :-))
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2012, 02:19:16 AM »

Derek, I really dont know mate.
The specs of the ship are:
Class overview
Builders: Jiangnan Shipyard
Operators:  People's Liberation Army Navy
Preceded by: Type 052B
Succeeded by: Type 052D
Building: 3
Completed: 3
Active: 2
General characteristics
Displacement: 7,000 tons[1]
Length: 154 m
Beam: 17 m
Draught: 6 m
Propulsion: CODOG
57,000 shp
Speed: 30 knots
Complement: 280
Sensors and
processing systems: Type 348 Radar
Anti stealth radar with Yagi antenna
MR 331 fire control radar
Type 344 Radar
LR66/TR47C radar
Type 364 Radar
Armament: 48 HHQ-9 long-range surface-to-air missiles
8 C-805 anti-ship / land attack cruise missiles or
8 HN-2 land attack cruise missiles [2]or
8 YJ-62 anti-ship / land attack cruise missiles
1 Type 210 100 mm dual purpose gun
2 30mm Type 730 close-in weapons systems
6 torpedo tubes
4 x 18-tube decoy rocket launcher
Aircraft carried: 1 helicopter: Kamov Ka-27 or Harbin Z-9C ASW/SAR
Aviation facilities: Stern hangar
Helicopter landing platform

The Type 052C destroyer (NATO code name Luyang II class, or Lanzhou class after the lead ship) is a class of destroyer built by the People's Republic of China. It features an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar system with four statically-mounted antennas for 360-degree coverage.[citation needed] The radar is used in conjunction with vertically launched HHQ-9 long-range air defence missiles. The Type 052C was the first warship in the People's Liberation Army Navy to have true long-range fleet air defence capability.

[edit] ProgrammeThe design for the Type 052C was approved in September 2001. The chief designer was believed to be Zhu Yingfu (朱英富), the director of the 701st Research Institute of the 7th Academy of China Shipbuilding Heavy Industrial Group; Pan Jingfu (潘镜芙), the designer for the previous three classes, had retired prior to the approval.

Two ships, Lanzhou (170) and Haikou (171) were constructed by Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai starting in 2002, and entering service by 2005. Production resumed at Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai toward the end of the decade, with two more launched by 2011.[3]

[edit] DesignThe Type 052C used the same hull and propulsion as the preceding Type 052B destroyer, which had also been built by Jiangnan. While the Type 052B used a mixture of Russian and Chinese systems, the Type 052C used predominantly Chinese systems, with a few sensors being notable exceptions.

The Type 052C was designed for the fleet air defence role, and mounted the Type 348 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, and vertically launched HQ-9 air defence missiles. It also carried YJ-62 anti-ship missiles. All three were new aboard Chinese warships.

Aviation facilities included a rear hangar and flight deck for one Ka-28-A or Z-9 helicopter.

[edit] Combat systemThe command and control system used by the Type 052C is unknown. Previous Chinese ships used derivatives of the French Thomson-CSF TAVITAC. The Type 052C may use an improved system to better engage anti-ship missiles, and to process data from its helicopter; the Ka-28 ASW helicopters must pass data back to its host ship for processing.
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2012, 02:22:01 AM »

Harquebus when you awaken over there in UK this is the Specs I was working on as it being what it is???
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2012, 02:50:17 AM »


Armo61...... when we go to ....http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/type052c_luyang2.asp we see an alternate reference to her sister ship & this is noted as 5700 tons full load

There is also an image of that vessel close by to an FFG [F04?] ... {:-{

Certainly @ 7000 tons would qualify as a destroyer

It is an interesting thread & I will enjoy further reading as one day in the future .....one of these vessels may berth in Sydney on a good will tour to OZ  :-))........Derek
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2012, 02:56:24 AM »

Yes, I looked at the link also and I see the difference even in ship design.
Well Derek alls I can say is I will see what arrives in the post shortly put it up here and see what work needs done on it also.
I miss Sydney a wee bit also as I had relatives in Oak flats and used to visit regularly.
It would be good to see a real live DDG in Sydney Harbour and I bet I know someone who would'nt missi it for quids by the sound of it.
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2012, 02:49:43 PM »

Amor61, I am not in the UK (even though this site is UK-based). I am in an undisclosed location in Asia... 8)

I am not inclined to think it is designed to resemble any particular ship, but I do think it more closely resembles the Type 051C (Luzhou Class) Missile Destroyer. http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/type051c_luzhou.asp

The key features of the flaring bow, aft helo deck and amidships mounted "YJ-83 anti-ship missiles" seem to better imitate this class of vessel. Just swap the foremast-mounted radome with the aft mast mounted "Top Plate" air search radar, make some other modifications (such as making two stacks instead of one) and you might do well. If there are any other vessels in the real world PLA Navy that this toy may more closely represent, I will keep an eye out for them.

I think it certainly needs some matte light gray paint to cover the shiny plastic and the eyesore silver detailing. Maybe some generic photo-etch railings would also serve adequately. I like that one can easily convert these "toys" into a scale RC ship model that appears as if you slaved over it for months.
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2012, 03:11:19 PM »

HaHa Harquebus and thanks for the info yes my friend Asia is a wonderful place I spent a while in vietnam back in the early 70's.
I thoroughly agree with you there re this Toy. I am eager to see what it looks like in the flesh and what cutting, demolition and painting job I can do on it.
I personally have not ever seen a warship either with chrome railing and silver work on board. Hmmmm.
Ok over to fletcher forum now for quick posting tks again.
Charles
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2012, 06:34:27 PM »

these so called toy ships dont half scrub up well tho  :-))
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2012, 01:11:40 AM »

Your not wrong there Stormbringer I agree most heartdly. If it is as good as the Sovremenny model then should be aok.
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2012, 03:14:08 PM »

Adding more fuel to the fire here but have you seen this other Chinese toy, a knock-off/copy of the Tamiya Japanese PT-15?



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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2012, 10:24:30 PM »

Hi Harquebus,
yes I have one. I cannot show you but if you look at the forum of MY PT. BOAT OF SORTS you will see it there. My competed is US and this. Tablet does not allow me to send pictures.
It runs with an EDF motor and. Sails really well.
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Re: Lanzhou Class Chinese Destroyers
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2012, 12:42:07 PM »

Hello Shipmates,
Well all I can report is I took her down for her sea test and as I thought goes like a bullet. No speed control it is either go or stop nothing to control that same as reverse.
I have stripped her down topsides and I would like to leave it as Vector drive or a system like that as their is no room for a rudder that I can see.
I wish there was someway to control the speed it would be terrific. Anyone got any ideas?
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