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RAAArtyGunner

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China's Aircraft Carrier
« on: September 24, 2012, 01:00:02 AM »

What is interesting, is that they, like us model boaters, bought the 'bare armoured' hull and have fitted it out to suit themselves

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/chinese-navy-takes-delivery-of-first-aircraft-carrier/story-fnd12peo-1226479871938
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 01:16:11 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 01:19:10 AM »

Photos from above newspaper article
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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 04:35:19 AM »

When I first saw the pictures I thought I was looking at a British carrier, because there weren't any aircraft on the deck!

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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2012, 07:57:53 AM »

What is interesting, is that they, like us model boaters, bought the 'bare armoured' hull and have fitted it out to suit themselves

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/chinese-navy-takes-delivery-of-first-aircraft-carrier/story-fnd12peo-1226479871938

Well I hope the missile guidance systems are better quality than some of the stuff they flog on ebay lol
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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2012, 12:46:43 PM »

Quote "But numerous sea trials of the aircraft carrier - currently only known as Number 16 - since August 2011 were met with concern from regional powers including Japan and the United States, which called on Beijing to explain why it needed an aircraft carrier"

Can just imagine Beijing's Response  :}  I know what mine would be..

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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2012, 02:08:54 PM »

Keep in mind this is just for the PLAN's training use - their fleet carriers will be coming off the ways in a few more years but are to similar design. 

Varyag & her future sisters are not the ones to be concerned about when it comes to China's growing naval presence... its their development of a new class of Aegis DDs, frigates & fast attack missile boats that are what we should be concerned about.

From last week's Sydney Morning Herald article (20 Sep 2012):
 
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Chinese navy grows new muscle to flex in region

In the latest step in its naval modernisation and expansion, China recently announced that it was accelerating serial production of an advanced destroyer. This will tilt the regional balance of power at sea in its favour and put it in a stronger position to enforce its sovereignty claims over Taiwan and in the South and East China seas.

Yet the significance of this development and earlier moves to re-shape the Chinese navy has tended to be overshadowed by news about China's refurbished Soviet-era aircraft carrier, which has just completed its 10th sea trial. In fact, if the 60,000-tonne carrier becomes the nominal flagship of the Chinese navy, it is still quite a way from operational readiness. Even in service, it will have a limited role, mainly for training and evaluation before the expected launch of China's first home-built carriers after 2015. Meanwhile, several decades of double-digit growth in military spending and improvements in Chinese naval engineering are producing a fleet that is primarily focused on regional maritime dominance and deterring US intervention in any potential conflict over Taiwan or in the South and East China seas, where Beijing contests control of disputed islands and maritime resources with south-east Asian countries and Japan.

The Chinese navy is ''acquiring the hardware it needs to prosecute a major regional naval showdown'', according to Andrew Erickson and Gabe Collins, two leading US analysts of Chinese military developments. Latest reports in the Chinese media say that the sixth destroyer in the Type 052C Luyang II-class has been launched and that the shipyard that builds them in Shanghai is laying down an average of two hulls per year. The Global Times , controlled by the Communist Party, reported on September 5 that a new destroyer under construction in the shipyard in a nearby hangar ''appears to be the Type 052D, the 052C's successor''. It said that mass production of the destroyer was ''the highlight in the second wave of massive (naval) shipbuilding after 2000'', and that the six Type 052Cs were launched at very short intervals since the end of 2010, with at least one of them already commissioned this year. ''As the most sophisticated combat ships, Aegis destroyers are commonly referred to as air-defence destroyers equipped with phased array radars and modern ship-to-air missiles, which enable the ships to provide regional air defence shields for the entire fleet,'' the newspaper reported.

The Type 052D is described by Japanese and US specialists as a stealthy, 6000-tonne destroyer with 64 vertical launch cannisters embedded in the hull to enable quick firing of anti-air, anti-ship, or land-attack missiles. This makes the new Chinese warship somewhat smaller in size and firepower than the US Navy's Arleigh Burke-class destoyers and Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers.

But Toshi Yoshihara and James Holmes, who wrote a book on the growth of China's navy, say that the latest Chinese destroyer still ''packs a punch for localised conflicts in Asian waters''. Taiwan is concerned that Chinese Type 052Ds deployed to Pacific waters east of Taiwan in a crisis could work in tandem with mainland forces and in effect surround the island's air defences, mounting a threat from all sides to Taiwanese planes and missiles. Taiwanese analysts expect China to build at least 10 of the Type 052Ds to add to the six Type 052Cs, creating a fleet of 16 Aegis-equivalent warships. By contrast, Japan and South Korea, the only other Asian military powers with such destroyers, have six and three Aegis-equipped warships respectively. This would enable the Chinese navy to face any Asian fleet with good prospects of success, though not the US Navy.

In its latest annual report to Congress on the Chinese military in May, the US Defence Department said that China had the largest force of warships, submarines and amphibious vessels in Asia, with almost 80 major surface combatants, more than 50 submarines, about 50 amphibious and landing ships, and some 85 smaller, missile-armed fast attack craft. China has been building and putting into service an increasing number of ships that would enable it to achieve its objectives in Taiwan and the South and East China seas. They are expected to include up to eight 20,000-tonne amphibious landing ships that can carry as many as 800 troops, as well as hovercraft, armoured vehicles and helicopters. At least two such ships are in service.

Last month, China commissioned its first Type 056 corvette, an 1800-tonne warship armed with anti-ship missiles and able to operate in relatively shallow waters. Nine more are under construction and at least 16 are planned.

Since 2004, China has also deployed a fleet of about 60 Houbei-class fast attack missile boats. With catamaran hulls made of aluminium and a shallow draft, these vessels appear tailor-made for the atoll and reef-strewn disputed waters of the South China Sea.

Yoshihara and Holmes say that the Chinese destroyers, frigates, amphibious landing ships, corvettes and Houbei missile boats could be used to form expeditionary strike groups that would easily outmatch those deployed by south-east Asian navies. Such fleets ''would be particularly well-suited to seize islands in the South China Sea'', they add. China's regionally focused military may still be no match for US might. But it could clearly overwhelm individual Asian rivals and raise the cost of US intervention - perhaps to unacceptably high levels.

The writer is a visiting senior research fellow at the Institute of South East Asian Studies in Singapore.

http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/chinese-navy-grows-new-muscle-to-flex-in-region-20120919-266ra.html

If anyone would be interested in a 1:200 model of Varyag, I know of an excellent modeler here in China who is doing some commission work for me who just finished a build plus a number of escorts including the Type 52.  Just don't ask him to work on any Japanese subjects!  ;)
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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 02:35:23 PM »

Quote "But numerous sea trials of the aircraft carrier - currently only known as Number 16 - since August 2011 were met with concern from regional powers including Japan and the United States, which called on Beijing to explain why it needed an aircraft carrier"

Can just imagine Beijing's Response  :}  I know what mine would be..

Well, a quick google suggests that the 'purpose' of the US navy is:

The purpose of U.S. naval forces remains the same--influencing by power and projecting the nation's influence across the seas to the waters and shores of foreign states both in peace as well as wartime in defence of democracy"

So perhaps the Chinese could respond that "The purpose of Chinese naval forces remains the same--influencing by power and projecting the nation's influence across the seas to the waters and shores of foreign states both in peace as well as wartime in defence of communism"?
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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 07:14:53 PM »

I have found a leaflet that lists Chinese numbers and gives a corresponding English translation. Therefore, I can only assume that the Carrier has been called No. 16, because there isn't enough room to write 'Cantonese Sweet & Sour King Prawn'

Silly name for a ship!
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 08:17:44 PM »

And Britain still gives China forein aid! John.
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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 08:36:47 PM »

Of course we do the carrier hasn't got an Air Wing yet.
Surprised we didn't give the Harriers too!!

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2012, 10:08:27 PM »

All depends who you want to be the next rulers of the world - Islam or China?
Maybe we should have a poll :)

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 10:33:32 PM »

All depends who you want to be the next rulers of the world - Islam or China?
Maybe we should have a poll :)

Isn't the answer obvious  O0 O0 O0

Which is why China is progressing as it will be the bulwark not the US
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2012, 08:34:20 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2012, 03:07:01 PM »

up in Scotland Yao Ming would mean minging/stinking/disgusting lol
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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2012, 07:50:35 AM »

We should remember that when we buy Chinese goods we are all helping to pay for their armies & ships. I remember when we all were scared with the rapid expansion of the Japanese & now look what has happened, the merry go round goes on & on. Mick B.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 10:13:00 AM »

Hullo irishcarguy ......Mick ....yes..... >>:-( but we must also remember when we purchase a tank full of petrol in OZ we are paying the Middle East to strengthen their military might..... >>:-( ....Derek
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Re: China's Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 11:16:50 AM »

The bit that I thought hilarious after seeing her on the evening news tonight was the revelation that China does not (at present at least) have any planes capable of taking off or landing on their new carrier! Better buy some more Chinese made goods guys to help finance the planes!
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2012, 01:55:06 PM »

Hullo irishcarguy ......Mick ....yes..... >>:-( but we must also remember when we purchase a tank full of petrol in OZ we are paying the Middle East to strengthen their military might..... >>:-( ....Derek

I don't know how it is in OZ, but in the UK about 70% of the petrol price is tax, so the biggest whack by far is paying the government.

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2012, 02:00:32 PM »

Hullo irishcarguy ......Mick ....yes..... >>:-( but we must also remember when we purchase a tank full of petrol in OZ we are paying the Middle East to strengthen their military might..... >>:-( ....Derek

Derek,

10 out 0f 10, that is it in a nutshell, the west got fixated on Russia, China and has too late like other countries realised it had taken its eye of the ball.
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2012, 02:05:03 PM »

I don't know how it is in OZ, but in the UK about 70% of the petrol price is tax, so the biggest whack by far is paying the government.


Dodgy,

We haven't caught up with you yet, only 30%, but we are closing all our refineries and importing refined fuel from Indonesia, because it's cheaper, so they can rip us off a lot more.
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