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derekwarner

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #300 on: May 26, 2020, 12:03:28 AM »

Nick.....this image below is from the Wiki page on the vessel and is noted as 'Invincible underway'

However I have somewhere read the text associated with this same image and it advised she was "Making Smoke" which was explained as 'oil injection into the boilers exhausts'

No increase in speed, just a disguise in capability  %)

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #301 on: May 26, 2020, 07:29:26 AM »

Derek


There is one thing I donít trust to be accurate and itís Wikipedia! :D
Considering the distance needed to be covered in the initial part of the battle to catch up Iím more inclined to say that they are shovelling coal like there is no tomorrow! I would have thought if they were making smoke it wouldnít be the best time for the photographer to take a picture as there wouldnít be much of a ship to see!
Throughout this particular action I believe that the Royal Navy held the upper hand and engaged the German cruisers at their leisure but they did allow themselves to get too close and Invincible was hit on the starboard side destroying a 4 inch gun barrel!
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #302 on: May 26, 2020, 08:52:32 AM »

Nick is correct, the photo was taken while the battlecruisers were chasing the Germans. In fact, when they got into action the smoke from Invincible caused problems for the gunnery of Inflexible which was following her.

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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #303 on: May 26, 2020, 09:59:41 AM »

I think its just stoking the boilers. When coal powered ships need to increase steam pressure they need to burn more fuel and until the fuel is properly burning coal produces huge amounts of smoke. This is why sometimes you see lots of smoke and other times really not too much depending on what they are doing, working up to full speed makes more smoke than keeping there.


Nick, I think you will have to make the steam pinnaces as she will look empty without them, and people will ask!


In general my understanding would be that they would land most of the lighter boats when going into action as there is no way they can survive and you are just taking splinters and a fire hazard with you. Its a little unclear and I have yet to find definitive proof either way. If you look at the high lift cutters on the mainmast they are too exposed to gun blast and in the way of the aft conning tower so would bet they would be landed before action, or possible cast adrift before action. This was frequently done in the days of sail, they would use a sea anchor to hold them and find them afterwards. If you won you can find them, if you lost it didn't matter!


Keep up the good work


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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #304 on: May 27, 2020, 03:24:24 PM »

Nick,


Now that my Invincible is finished its sitting in splendour on the dinning room table and I can see it against the light and can see right through chunks of the superstructure:


1) Beneath the forward searchlight platform
2) Beneath the forward boat deck
3) Beneath the aft boatdeck.


On pictures of the real ship this aspect rarely seems to show up which could just be the light or the camera angle but it almost suggests there are solid structures in those places that are not shown on the plans. What do you think?


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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #305 on: May 27, 2020, 07:00:41 PM »

Hi Geoff


Interesting, Iíll have to have a look on mine as she hasnít left the workshop since Warwick last year. Hopefully itís a trick of the light as I canít imagine much extra on these areas could be added behind them but who knows since we have so few pictures of these areas from 1914.


Hopefully this week coming will mean some extra work will be done on Invincible  :-))
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #306 on: May 29, 2020, 01:11:23 PM »

Hooray!
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Re: HMS Invincible- The First Battlecruiser
« Reply #307 on: Today at 01:10:30 PM »

104 years ago today this afternoon HMS Invincible was lost with a majority of her crew and her Rear Admiral, Sir Horace Lambert Alexander Hood.
I also started this model 3 years today...
I have spent this morning building the ships boats derrick boom using John Haynes fittings and a brass tube. Really adds detail to such a mundane object.
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