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ANOTHER 46" FIREBOAT RESTORATION PROJECT
« on: December 07, 2012, 06:15:21 pm »
Well here we have "Another 46" FireBoat restoration"


This was bought on Ebay with another boat (Aerokits Swordsman), and was a birthday present from my daughter back in October.


Its in very good condition for its age, was I.C. powered originally, but its getting twin brushless motors for this restoration project.




So let the restoration begin....  <*<


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Re: ANOTHER 46" FIREBOAT RESTORATION PROJECT
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 07:29:13 pm »
Don't forget the photos
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Re: ANOTHER 46" FIREBOAT RESTORATION PROJECT
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 07:49:26 pm »

The RAF 'Crash' tender... it's such a great shape boat isn't it!
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Re: ANOTHER 46" FIREBOAT RESTORATION PROJECT
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 09:11:12 pm »
Plenty more pictures to come Jim, and yes Martin "she's in good shape"


This picture shows the engine bay, prior to getting a make-over... <*<



http://s1280.beta.photobucket.com/user/flying-flees/media/modelboat%20mayhem/DSCN1012-1.jpg.html
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Re: ANOTHER 46" FIREBOAT RESTORATION PROJECT
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2012, 10:46:44 pm »

 
 
Thought I would put it up for you
 
 
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2012, 10:31:37 am »
Cheers Dave......   :-)) thanks for that, having a " >>:-( " moment with photobucket....


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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2012, 11:49:42 am »

First thing I'm going to do is remove the paint, doing this with paint stripper, is a pain rubber gloves, etc.,......but a e-mail from Peter Henshaw, and he recommended this stuff.   "Fairy Power Spray"     Its been difficult to track down, as not all stores sell it, but finally found in a well known supermarket.....at £3.50, a tad expensive for the amount you get, but it certainly worked..and its more user friendly.
The pic shows what its done....I left it to soak overnight, it does say after 30 mins its useable, but you will find if you leave it overnight then it  will soften enough to remove 3 layers of paint.







the restoration continues.... <*<


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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 08:16:32 pm »

The restoration continues.... <*<


I have removed the original motor mount, it was covered in oil, and had different glues used in its life time, as the engine mount look as though it had been modified several times.
This was a tricky operation, basically a "hammer and chisel" job, as I didn't want to damage the outer skins,tread carefully was the order of the day.
The mission was successful as this picture was taken early on in the operation.




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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2012, 05:11:29 pm »



The restoration continues........ <*< <*<


The engine mount has been removed, still bits of glue/paint left to remove, and more elbow grease needed, and reaching the point of thinking about the hardware I'm going to need...shafts, motors..etc.,








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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2012, 01:47:11 pm »

The restoration continues....... <*<


This is were I cheated a bit :embarrassed: :embarrassed: ....had got most of the paint of, and my best mate, and fellow "Fire-Boater" Les....took the boat away, as he has a big garage, and a proper sander, and got to work......and this is the result.... :-))


Has save me a lot of work.....cheers Les.... :-)




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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2012, 09:29:28 am »



The restoration continues....... <*<


After my mate Les had removed the remaining paint, several floors appeared on the hull. These are the bits of paint not removed by the sanding operation, and indicated that there had been a few collisions with the quay-side. The split by the cabin area will be plated from the inside, then filled with filler from the outside. Will probably just fill the remaining splits from the outside, as I do not wish to take of the skins.
I am following RED181's method and covering the hull with glass cloth, so it should be ok... {:-{ 


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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 07:14:10 pm »



The restoration continues.... <*<


Have gutted the engine room, middle former has been removed and the keel braces...but there are sign of the skins delaminating.. <:(  after removing the paint....so have a few hard decisions to make.. {:-{  and certain areas were the skins have not been glued to the formers.


Any suggestions will be more than welcome


Mike


 
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2012, 08:23:06 pm »
Right then where the skins are delaminating off the formers why not use 2 part epoxy glue and simply run a bead between the former and the part which is delaminating
 
 
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2012, 03:40:27 pm »
Hi Dave
thanks for the advice, but since I have posted the last picture, its worse than looks, and it could involve removing the skins.. >:-o


Will report in the near future


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Re: ANOTHER 46" FIREBOAT RESTORATION PROJECT
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2012, 04:26:14 pm »
It looks like the fuel has leached into the layers of ply and attacked the glue. If this is the case epoxying the top ply layer will not be enough.
Time to think about re-skinning the affected area.

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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2012, 10:10:07 pm »
Hi Ned
It looks like thats going to be the only way-out.....don't want to spend time and energy glassing the hull and its de-laminating on the inside.


I.C. engine fuel can do a lot of damage and even when you think you have sealed everything.


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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2012, 01:20:53 pm »
Marine ply may be "Wash and Boil Proof but is it wash and Oil proof?
 
  Sadly, most of the "Antique" (???) finds are a residue of an era when propper engines were fitted and are now re-kitting themselves. Something the buyer must be aware of when going down the "Flee" corridors
 
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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2012, 05:06:09 pm »

The restoration continues...... <*<



Hi Ian


The bottom skin has been removed, and the delaminating can clearly be seen, and just glad I did take most of the paint off from the inside.


So its off with the old skins and on with the new.... :}






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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2012, 11:47:10 am »
Well the festive season continues, and not a great deal has happened to "the restoration..... <*< "


But this is the state of play so far....after much humming and harring, the skins are being removed. Several things have come to light and which seems common to both versions of the Aerokits "FireBoats" and is the way in which the "chine stringers" slot into the front formers. Its probably not that clear in this picture, but I have sanded the chine stringers and if left would not give much support to the skins. So these will have to come of as well... >:-o








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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2012, 11:57:50 am »
This picture shows what I was going on in the previous post, you can see the difference after the chine stringers have been sanded to follow the formers....not much material would be left.









the restoration continues.... <*<
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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2012, 12:37:37 pm »
Problem might be my end but I can't see that last pic. You have your work cut out there but the final product will be all the more appreciated for that.
Dave
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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2012, 02:37:38 pm »
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So its off with the old skins and on with the new.... :}

 
  And in the words of Del boy, "You know it makes sense"  Castor Oil may be waterproof but there's no strenght in laminations of wood rattling against each other.
 
  Don't know about AeroKits bigger offerings but I'm nearly sure that the smaller (Up to 36") boats had bow blocks (Balsa) so were solid where the bottom skin ended at B1. So the chine stringer only had to support the side sheet.?
 
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2012, 12:13:54 am »
I feel for you :((  turning out to be a real big job
 
The front deck is a weak point, whilst at this stage, check that for delamination, after a number of front end knocks, they usually end up with water leaks, that are not very evident when fully built up, if you intend to have a reasonably fast performance, remember that the spray rails form a very important part of the handling on this boat, oversize them! I speak from experience here! if undersized, the hull will have a terrible roll when turning, and will not plane very well. I used plastic on my 48" as its stronger than wood and less likely to get knocked out of shape, or end up with the corners rounded,   www.ema-models.co,uk do suitable long lengths that are quite hard to find, and Steve at scale hobbies in skelmersdale has a box full of very long lengths, hope that helps, Paul :-))
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2012, 05:37:46 am »
Quote from: red181 on December 30, 2012, 12:13:54 am
I feel for you :((  turning out to be a real big job
 
The front deck is a weak point, whilst at this stage, check that for delamination, after a number of front end knocks, they usually end up with water leaks, that are not very evident when fully built up, if you intend to have a reasonably fast performance, remember that the spray rails form a very important part of the handling on this boat, oversize them! I speak from experience here! if undersized, the hull will have a terrible roll when turning, and will not plane very well. I used plastic on my 48" as its stronger than wood and less likely to get knocked out of shape, or end up with the corners rounded,   www.ema-models.co,uk do suitable long lengths that are quite hard to find, and Steve at scale hobbies in skelmersdale has a box full of very long lengths, hope that helps, Paul :-))

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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2012, 09:59:21 am »
Hi Dave
Looks like a trip to "Specsavers" for you in the New Year.... ok2


All the best
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