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Colin Bishop

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Ark Royal scrapping
« on: January 04, 2013, 07:50:51 pm »

Ark Royal is due to be towed to Turkey for scrapping but the Navy are being cagey about just when. With Invincible, they slipped her away early one morning at very short notice, presumably in the hope that people wouldn't realise it was happening and I suspect the same tactic will be used for the Ark. I have heard a rumour that it might be some time this month.
 
Does anyone have any further information?
 
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 09:03:32 pm »

Just keep an eye out for strange tugs arriving or due to arrive.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 10:21:18 pm »

A criminal waste of a good ship IMO..... >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 03:19:03 pm »

After "Call me Dave" made his little speech the other day saying "we" would defend the Islands .....maybe he thinks that the Ark could be brought back into service simply by saying ELet it be so"   BY.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 06:17:55 pm »

http://www.qhm.mod.uk/portsmouth/port/port-movements
Queens Harbour Master posts daily shipping movements in and out of Portsmouth Harbour on this site. The next days movements are usually posted by 1pm. You get used to the double dutch that is used after a while. What you are looking out for is movements, as previously mentioned, involving unusual and big tugs, plus any sign of Ark Royal moving from 3 Basin where she is now, into one of the big docks or locks, surrounded by a flurry of local tug movements into, and through those locks.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 08:50:48 pm »

Ask the local press, they are sure to know. These moves are usually planned weeks in advance and those involved adviced, including the local MoD PR office.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 09:08:21 pm »

Thanks Dave, it's my daughter who is particularly interested (long story) and she is a journalist so I have advised her to contact The News.
 
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2013, 11:55:08 am »

 I have been lead to believe that the Fort George was due to leave Liverpool on Monday for the breakers. However, the tug which I understand was to do the job the CHRISTOS XXIII is currently heading up Channel and currently SW of the Channel Islands, the destination still being shown as Liverpool. However, there is little chance that she will be here by tomorrow should she maintain her present heading.
The though therefore occurs to me that she is heading for Portsmouth and a date with the Ark.
See: http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?oldmmsi=373163000&zoom=10&olddate=lastknown
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2013, 01:24:17 pm »

Thats interesting about the Fort George Colin, I know she was not the best of builds, but she seems to be going to the breakers early for a RFA.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2013, 11:42:18 am »

 Now confirmed that it is the Fort George that is going. She is due to depart Liverpool around midday on Tuesday.
The Fort George is going relativity early because of several reasons but mainly because 1) the heavy running costs mainly in terms of manning and fuel costs. 2) Because she is a single hull and is therefore barred from operating in certain areas. In fact all the current RFA tankers apart from Wave Knight and Wave Ruler will have to be disposed of by 2016 at the latest because of this ruling; they are being replaced by the new "Tide" class, now under construction in Korea.
Fort George has been at Liverpool for almost two years, and during that time has be steadily stripped of usable parts including the propellers, shafts etc.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2013, 05:36:09 pm »

Now confirmed that it is the Fort George that is going. She is due to depart Liverpool around midday on Tuesday.
The Fort George is going relativity early because of several reasons but mainly because 1) the heavy running costs mainly in terms of manning and fuel costs. 2) Because she is a single hull and is therefore barred from operating in certain areas. In fact all the current RFA tankers apart from Wave Knight and Wave Ruler will have to be disposed of by 2016 at the latest because of this ruling; they are being replaced by the new "Tide" class, now under construction in Korea.
Fort George has been at Liverpool for almost two years, and during that time has be steadily stripped of usable parts including the propellers, shafts etc.
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Plus the fact that she is overcomplicated and a nightmare to live in. Need a satnav to find your way around it if the lights went out. BY.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2013, 07:10:48 pm »

I had it in my mind that for some reason fort George was a single hulled tanker while its sister
Fort Victoria was double hulled....is that right? {:-{ {:-{
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2013, 11:57:08 pm »

Tug mentioned above is Christos 23. It appears that Christos 22 is currently sinking off Torbay having collided with her tow.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-21007236
 
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2013, 12:10:50 am »

Now confirmed that it is the Fort George that is going. She is due to depart Liverpool around midday on Tuesday.
The Fort George is going relativity early because of several reasons but mainly because 1) the heavy running costs mainly in terms of manning and fuel costs. 2) Because she is a single hull and is therefore barred from operating in certain areas. In fact all the current RFA tankers apart from Wave Knight and Wave Ruler will have to be disposed of by 2016 at the latest because of this ruling; they are being replaced by the new "Tide" class, now under construction in Korea.
Fort George has been at Liverpool for almost two years, and during that time has be steadily stripped of usable parts including the propellers, shafts etc.
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I was on her to photograph her the week before she left Plymouth for Liverpool.  By the time I was on her all the fuel handling gear was off her.  There was a story at the time was she was going with a sale of Ark Royal which never happened.



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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2013, 02:37:18 pm »

Just to clear up a common error......neither the "George" or the "Victoria" are tankers as such. They are what is known as "One Stop" ships. They can supply all the needs of the receiving ship at one go instead of having ships specialised for one commodity. I never thought to ask who designed them, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that it was the Corps of Naval Constructors. By far, the best ships for the purpose were designed by private outfits such as Swan-Hunter. BY.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2013, 04:59:31 pm »

well "Christos23" wont be doing much towing for a while! on my AIS system there were 4 other tugs near her,hoping to pump out the fuel and saving her.Her tow has now sunk,another wreck for ametuer divers to risk there lives and those of others on.Usually at great expense to the RNLI and Helicopter rescue crews.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2013, 08:53:29 pm »

Well chaps on the shipnostalga site there is a photo of Christoss 23 alongside Fort George connectted in and waiting to go, the photo is dated 15 Jan 2013.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2013, 09:01:31 pm »

on our local news last night christoss was being escorted to portland for repairs! so someone is wrong somewhere!
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2013, 09:06:10 pm »

There are two Christos tugs, 23 and 22.
 
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2013, 09:48:12 pm »

According to our news, it is Christos 22 that got into trouble so bye bye Fort George.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2013, 11:14:43 pm »

where is fort grange and the tug? I would like to look it up on AIS but neither of the ships names are recognised?
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2013, 09:14:43 am »

Fort Grange, now Rosalie is in Birkenhead for the start of a major refit, Fort George is in the Liverpool docks where she has been 'laid up' for the last couple of years.
I understood the Christos was barge towing on windfarm duties?
 
where is fort grange and the tug? I would like to look it up on AIS but neither of the ships names are recognised?
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2013, 10:50:17 am »

Fort George has now gone, her berth is empty, I have had a daily view of her from across the Mersey from New Brighton....
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2013, 11:32:28 am »

 
The Former RFA Fort George departed Liverpool at the end of a towing cable on Wednesday at just after 1300; she was being towed by the Christos XXIII to Aliaga in Turkey for scrapping. The journey is expected to take around three weeks. The Christos XXIII is not known for keeping his AIS active her latest posted position can be found here: http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?oldmmsi=373163000&zoom=10&olddate=lastknown Images of the event are here: http://www.seatheships.org.uk/gallery/showgallery.php/ppuser/195/username/liverbudgie Liverpool AIS also has a good set as well.
Her former berth is now taken by RFA Orangeleaf, at least I presume so but can't verify at present 'cos it's snowing heavily at present.
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Re: Ark Royal scrapping
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2013, 12:22:26 pm »

I stand corrected - it's a few days since I was out that way.
 
I shall be onboard Rosalie at the weekend before she shifts round to CL. Last time I was onboard was 1996 in the Adriatic.
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