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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2013, 08:27:35 PM »

Hi Lighterman, those grey funnel barges you refer to were not by chance ex US military ones from Hythe on the Southampton waterway. But yes I remember some unusual Thames lighters like those which were built to work the river Lee, long narrow with a rudder and tiller.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2013, 10:10:15 AM »

they look cracking! well hatched and sheeted as well. the design looks like the PLA S class and cory's for the lee.

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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2013, 03:08:59 PM »

There was one of these on fleabay not so long back.
 
I thank you both for your suggestions, decision time  {:-{


Although the Mountfleet lighter does not look like the Thames lighter which were just basic floating tanks and there were many thousands of them, I think it is an attractive model. If Riverman and the lighter are ever seen together I will have a lot of explaining to do.


I thank you both for your interest, Take care Chris G   
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2013, 05:57:11 PM »

Hi Lighterman, those grey funnel barges you refer to were not by chance ex US military ones from Hythe on the Southampton waterway. But yes I remember some unusual Thames lighters like those which were built to work the river Lee, long narrow with a rudder and tiller.
the ones i was thinking about were steel sometimes hatched and some others tanks. very similar shape to the concrete ones like this.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2013, 09:03:25 PM »

Hi Lighterman, yes the MoD barges, where shaped like that concrete one, but had more rounded runs, there where two types of store lighters, the 250t size with a small deckhouse one end, the deckhouse was a combination of a w/c and a companionway to the living accom, the other was 100t size which had no crew accom. When fully loaded and deep, they where not so good as a Thames lighter to tow. The 250t ones where all numbered 11-- and the 100t were numbered from 1000 upwards.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2013, 03:06:29 PM »

I have got the two part mould of the scale (1/32) barge. LOA 31" Beam 8" draft mdl 3" when loaded to what would be "iron band deep" 6" freeboard she will carry 2 1/2 house bricks.
Bit hard to show but the fwd swim is on the right and the angle is much shallower than the after swim where the budget (fixed plate rudder) would be.
The tumblehome on these barges was rather sharp being 9 degree's from the chine to the iron band at the gunwale. all these dimensions where taken from a builders solid half block model of 6 barges built in holland for Braitwaite and Dean Ltd in 1937.
 
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2013, 11:58:32 AM »

I was shown a very nice fibreglass model at Greenwich a few years ago by a riverman. It was a pro job and had a label glassed into the hold. Wish I had taken the details down.  Anybody recognise the model or the gentleman ? Picture dated 2008 but must be earlier, note Cutty Sark in background, pre fire.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2013, 12:20:06 PM »

Glimpses of shape and internal detail from the "Discovery" series on the houseboat conversion.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2013, 01:51:58 PM »

Is that a Mobile Marine Modles lighter, if it had a sticker inside it prob was
 
http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/acatalog/__D__Class_Lighter.html
 
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2013, 05:14:33 PM »

You can see the sticker embedded in the resin on the hold.  Not vac-form, very different shape.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2013, 04:33:04 PM »

That is a beut of a model, just how I remember them.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2013, 05:33:12 PM »

This might have been taken at the annual watermen`s barge pulling race, Greenwich to the Pool.  If I remember the crew was limited to three oarsmen, two at a time, one resting or steering (?)   Lots of colourful paint-jobs (sponsors, pubs etc) which would make a change from the workaday drab colours for a different model.  I still see the odd sponsored one moored on the Thames. www.greenlandpassage.co.uk/bargerace.html
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2013, 12:48:31 PM »

Calder Craft "Riverman"
 
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2013, 07:40:27 PM »

Just pulled a GRP lighter/ barge hull for a fellow poster here. the mould needing a bit of repair and TLC since i moulded 6 from it last year. May do a new plug of a canal size barge in 1/32 max beam 13'6" or another swim head barge as i don't think this mould will last much longer.

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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2013, 03:17:54 PM »

Before the xmas break I had started building a Thames lighter to go with my Tosher. As the Tosher is about 1/16 scale the lighter was always going to be fairly big but eventually decided to scale it down a little bit to get within a 4' length of ply. The pics show how far it got before the weather closed down. Over engineered I know BUT all the materials used so far came out of a skip the builders next door were gradually filling up and with their permission the timber and ply offcuts were liberated.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2013, 03:22:34 PM »

Finally managed to get back in workshop now its a little bit warmer and progress to date. Size turned out to be about 45" x12". Still lots of rubbing down and fairing to shape to do and stern swim not attached permanently yet its only held by the half and half slotting around the budgetat the moment.
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2013, 04:54:56 PM »

Thats the kind of build I like droppable models that require a truss to use :-))
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2013, 05:00:48 PM »

You are right there M  :-)) . Not as shapely as one of yours and both swims same length but too late to alter. No internal details so will finish either sheeted or maybe even a tank barge. Be fun when i start skinning it with ply!!.  8) 8)
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2013, 05:05:26 PM »

ha ha! wait till you start! you will never have enough hands and tacks when that ply starts peeling up and the glue will be everywhere! good luck P!

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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2013, 07:52:24 PM »

Thats looking good :-))
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2013, 01:44:13 PM »

Thanks J
I think lighterman has got it right about the glue and peeling ply so i will get herself to help me so that I can blame her when it all goes wrong!! ok2 ok2
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2013, 03:50:15 PM »

Got her 'plated' now without too much glue everywhere. First coat of primer on to see where she wants filler and more rubbing down [nd there are plenty of places!]
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2013, 03:56:00 PM »

Couple of pics with 'jacko' alongside for comparison. Still not wholly to scale but who really wants to lug a 5' barge about!
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Re: Thames lighters
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2013, 07:56:48 PM »

She will look good towing that. your Smit tug is looking good to,get her ready for tug day :-)) .
 
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