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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 02:17:01 AM »

Dyson. A so called captain of British industry. Sets an example by sacking all his uk staff and moves production abroad. Yes im aware that his research and developement is still here. Milking us still. John.
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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 12:40:00 PM »

Im not sure how keeping the research and development arm in the uk constitutes "milking us" however it is sad to see production go abroad.
 
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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 01:33:12 PM »

Only following the Sinclair philosophy.  %) and sending manufacturing abroad is because of the difficulty of many in sticking A to B without a big diagram.
 
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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 01:49:16 PM »

Im not sure how keeping the research and development arm in the uk constitutes "milking us" however it is sad to see production go abroad.
Keeping R&D here obviously is not milking us.  Exporting production jobs is.


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It uses an electromagnetic field, rather than carbon brushes, to accelerate from standstill to up to 100,000 revolutions per minute
Typical of the pseudo tech BS that this company seem to revel in.  Since when did carbon brushes accelerate anything?  It is dispiriting to realize that the general technical nous of the population of this country has fallen so far as to swallow this sort of rubbish.  Every electrical motor since they were first invented has used an electromagnetic field to provide the acceleration.
It's amazing what you can get past the patent people, as well.  I seem to recall "doing" power back in '63 in C&G Telecomms Principles, where a brushless self-exciting generator was described.  Rather bigger, but only needing the right control technology to turn it into a motor.
Anyway, looking at the cost of the things, seeing any site so equipped might make me wonder how much I have been overcharged for being there.  1000 a tap?
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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 05:14:48 PM »

Just to clarify what i meant by milking us. He uses a British developement team to design etc, new products. Then uses our ideas to make abroad.A type of export? So is he not milking us?What does Britain get? About a 100 jobs. Not a lot in the real world. I notice he always claims the credit for all new products. No mention of the real workers, his design group. John.   
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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 05:39:01 PM »

All the components are made in the far east
Why pay to transport them to uk to be assembled
If uk cannot manufacture the components at the
right price why bring them to a country that can't
assemble them at the right price.
I only wish we could  >>:-(

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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 06:28:38 PM »

Who determines "The right price" ?
 
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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 06:34:20 PM »

It seems that the free market economy is placed on an unassailable pedestal. As long as the rich remain rich who gives a bleep about the proles. Can't really say workers if they're all on the dole.

No I haven't got the answer but when enough kids have no chance of a future we will have civil unrest as never before and extreme politics will raise its ugly head. And why? So people like Dyson can shave a unit price and no doubt avoid some tax too.

Sky will probably supply excellent coverage of the riots though.

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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 07:13:24 PM »

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It seems that the free market economy is placed on an unassailable pedestal.

Yes, and it doesn't always work properly either. However protectionism is not the answer. Production will migrate to where prices are lowest, even if is in Chinese factories with child labour. There are a lot of complications however. It makes little sense for the UK to build oil tankers as they are relatively low tech and can more economically be built in Asia where wage levels (rightly or wrongly) are much lower. The high wage developed economies should concentrate on replacing the traditional 'heavy' industries with high value technology based ones and the UK has done nothing like as much as it should in these areas. Unfortunately, even if we do develop this type of economic activity it typically requires a smaller and more highly qualified workforce with obvious consequences for unemployment levels so you will tend to get polarisation between the haves and have nots.
 
Then of course there is the ageing population issue. We are all being told we must work longer but in a stagnating economy it means that the elderly are directly competing with youngsters. If the jobs that are available are in the knowledge based sector then part time working self employed pensioners like me are going to be more appealing to employers as we already have the skills they are looking for and school/ university leavers (who need full time jobs) don't.
 
The only long term solution that I can see is to expand the economy with as mixture of 'high value'  and service orientated jobs which means that those coming in at the bottom need to be better educated either in academic terms or in practical skill sets. You won't get somebody in China to come and mend your central heating, service your car, do some plumbing or build you an extension (although you might from Poland!). So instead of shovelling over 50% of students off to so called universities to do things like Media Studies a good proportion should be encouraged to go into occupations which require hands on practical skills which are don't just only offer job satisfaction but offer pretty high and marketable skill levels. Politicians have tended to look down on these people for the last 30 years or so which has resulted in the frquently stupid policies now being pursued. School leavers should follow their aptitudes, choose something economically useful and be determined to do it well.
 
As ever, the congenitally lazy will always fall by the wayside.
 
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 07:33:08 PM »

Yes sadly there are some happy not to work. But for those that do try hard it is not just Poland that they compete with. I was watching young people in Spain, all with truly excellent qualifications, all saying they were coming to the UK asap.

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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 08:08:33 PM »

Some of the posters in this thread obviously can't/won't read the article and it makes me sick!!! <*< <*<

Firstly, he isn't sacking his UK workforce and setting up abroad - he did that 11 years ago.  Why?? it's more cost effective to do it that way.
Leaving 100 jobs in the UK - READ THE ARTICLE!!! they employ 2,000 people at Malmsbury.

Secondly, someone else obviously knows more than Dyson's development team, maybe you should apply for a job and point out where they're going wrong.

At least Colin knows what he's talking about :-))
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 08:47:18 PM »

I didn't mean to spark a political debate about how to fix UK's economy but some interesting points.  There is still a lot of manufacturing in Aberdeen for the oil industry but the costs are often unimaginable.
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 10:23:23 PM »

As Gary was kind enough to post the link I read the article. I stand by my concerns that employment is provided overseas whilst our own youngsters are unemployed. That is what leaves a bad taste in my mouth. That's just how I feel about it - I have a socialist background and some empathy for the kids I see struggling.

As I said earlier  - I don't have the answer

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Re: 100 engineers and 26.9m.....
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2013, 08:56:00 AM »

Keeping R&D here obviously is not milking us.  Exporting production jobs is.


From the link -Typical of the pseudo tech BS that this company seem to revel in.  Since when did carbon brushes accelerate anything?  It is dispiriting to realize that the general technical nous of the population of this country has fallen so far as to swallow this sort of rubbish.  Every electrical motor since they were first invented has used an electromagnetic field to provide the acceleration.
It's amazing what you can get past the patent people, as well.  I seem to recall "doing" power back in '63 in C&G Telecomms Principles, where a brushless self-exciting generator was described.  Rather bigger, but only needing the right control technology to turn it into a motor.
Anyway, looking at the cost of the things, seeing any site so equipped might make me wonder how much I have been overcharged for being there.  1000 a tap?


So true, they have connected a brush-less motor to a turbocharger compressor wheel, took 7 years to develop it, Says a lot about British engineers  ;D


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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2013, 04:28:45 PM »

Slight divergence from the theme, but it isn't only British Engineers that make C--k -ups. Have you heard , there in the UK, of the debacle of Berlins new airport? 3 years overdue, twice the estimated cost, so many errors in the Safety Systems it would be cheaper to pull down and rebuild that try to repair the mistakes.The Baggage handling system too small and slow. For example, an Airbus 380, 70% full, would require 40 minutes to unload and distribute the passengers luggage, assuming one case per passenger. All other passengers would have to wait until these were dealt with. Another example of German effiecency, the new Station for Stuttgart, was named "Stutgart 21" now 25, as that is how much longer it will take, the cost, again is 300% more, estimated. The Funding has been stopped, so it may now never happen. The List of Costly mistakes is long, but as the Myth of German excellence is strong, they don't get any publicity. Have you heard that Mercedes is transferring the Production of the B Class to Hungary? reason, EU help with the Factory build, also in Germany a Line Worker gets about 33 an hour, in Hungary 7.Made in Germany, ( or anywhere that is cheap!) Say no more.
 
 
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