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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2013, 05:15:55 PM »

talk about a blow out the water off my father . found out somethink really brilliant about my dad. he use to build 45ft canal barges. an he has built model boats before from scatch. when he seen what i done an the kit.  he said not to worry..  he been taking measurements of the boat an plans an going to make his own out of wood. instead of plastic. i guess having a dad who use to build boats for a living an has a engineering back ground. an also qualifed black smith. and qualifed welding engineering working off drawings. he took one look at the plans an parts an said .. we will do it together
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2013, 04:08:29 PM »

 Before you continue I would suggest that you, if you haven't already done so, is to fit the propeller shafts, rudder, motors and couplings;  then decide where you are going to fit the battery(s), radio gear, wiring and ballast. It is much better to do these things now than to find that you have to rip the decks off to fit them at a later stage.
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2013, 04:51:02 PM »

we are not fitting the deck in just some beams in to hold the model in place.
ive never fit the prop shafts before has anyone  have some advice on how too
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2013, 06:28:04 PM »

Good evening Shadow,  I put some tips on fitting shafts on your earlier thread...  http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=41681.msg419671#msg419671... tack in place with a spot of cyano and check for alignment, ( dont forget to fit the a frames if required) when satisfied epoxy in place, adding support blocks as necessary inside the hull. finally, flair into hull from outside with car bodyfiller....
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2013, 01:40:51 AM »

Good Day Ben
 
One of our club members has the Dean's Marine HMS Cossack, it looks good and sails well on the water.

 

 
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2013, 01:55:48 AM »

hi thunder . is therer any chance your friend would be so kind to do some close up pictures of the boat an the inside. its very beautiful  by the way. how long did it take your friend to build it
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2013, 01:59:45 AM »

Good Day Ben


I'll ask him for some pictures, and post them for you


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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2013, 02:01:31 AM »

Good evening Shadow,  I put some tips on fitting shafts on your earlier thread...  http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=41681.msg419671#msg419671... tack in place with a spot of cyano and check for alignment, ( dont forget to fit the a frames if required) when satisfied epoxy in place, adding support blocks as necessary inside the hull. finally, flair into hull from outside with car bodyfiller....

hi nick thank you very much for all your infomation im going to have ago at fitting the propa in the morning once ive had some sleep.
if im honest im not impressed with the propeller blades deans marine supply. i was considering in buying another kit from them. but i think after alot of thinking im just going to buy a plane . an build my own from scatch. i know the fitting are either cast or resin but i did think they would be better then what they are . but i guess its just i have high standereds what to expect . but im still plodding on with the kit. while im on the nights my dad is cracking the kits thru the day doing very little bits . but the good thing is i have some time off . so once ive taken the misses out . atleast ill get an hour or 2 having a build. im hoping by the end of the month ill have the hull done . we are moving house an i dont think ill get chance to have a play for a month or two
 more pictures to follow 2morro
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2013, 02:04:58 AM »

Good Day Ben


I'll ask him for some pictures, and post them for you


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thank you very much :D atleast someone in the world has got this kit.
ive been looking all over the net an you never really see anyone with one .
i know about 2 weeks back there was one on ebay for sale . the guy wanted 250 for it built . but i got my z37 instead for 225 built
but hms kelly is on ebay at the minute for 315 built an ready. looks the part too . if i didnt have the cossack or my vosper mtb. an hms sheffiled/ hms penplope to build i would of gone an got it
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2013, 02:24:45 AM »

Deans kits are good kits, the higher end models are more suited to the experiences builder who has a good few kits under his belt and is prepared to do a bit of fettling as a normal part of the build. Imagine the cost of a destroyer kit if it were to come with completely CNC cut parts accurate to the Nth degree, with  absolutely perfect fittings all ready to paint? You will find most kits require cast fittings to be cleaned up, flash removed etc. Model aircraft do not have the same level of detail found on 1/96th or 1/72nd warship kits. My next project is to be Deans HMS Skirmisher, WW1 Cruiser, with 450 castings to prepare.. This can be done as a rolling process along side the rest of the build, whilst waiting for glue to dry, or just for a change of scene.
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Re: Hms cossack build started
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2013, 02:28:07 AM »

Good Day Ben


Try Cornwall Model Boats for props. I bought the Brass 3 blade "D" type (162 series) for my HMAS Arunta (Tribal Class) which (according to the plans), are the correct style for this ship.


http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/raboesch-brass-propellers.html


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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2013, 02:38:03 AM »

Deans kits are good kits, the higher end models are more suited to the experiences builder who has a good few kits under his belt and is prepared to do a bit of fettling as a normal part of the build. Imagine the cost of a destroyer kit if it were to come with completely CNC cut parts accurate to the Nth degree, with  absolutely perfect fittings all ready to paint? You will find most kits require cast fittings to be cleaned up, flash removed etc. Model aircraft do not have the same level of detail found on 1/96th or 1/72nd warship kits. My next project is to be Deans HMS Skirmisher, WW1 Cruiser, with 450 castings to prepare.. This can be done as a rolling process along side the rest of the build, whilst waiting for glue to dry, or just for a change of scene.
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ill more then likely think different once its built an on the water an want to order another one . i didnt realise just how much work is involed. an granted model aircraft dont have much detail . unless you put in yourself. i wish i still had pictures of my bristol scout an the fokker tri plane. but hard drive went down.
i really did like the idea of the hms dreadnought from deans marine .but ive been looking at fleet scale type 45.
but misses wont let me buy anymore until ive built every else . but she didnt say i couldnt buy the plans
 
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« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2013, 10:26:18 AM »

Good Day Ben

I've spoken to Brian, he's going to bring his Cossack to our next sailing day, Sunday. I'll get as many pictures as I can.
This is my Tribal, HMAS Arunta (1/72). She was doing her first sea trials.
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2013, 11:11:42 AM »

The hull looks the buisness, very nice.

Can you explain something to me as I've not built a deans kit. You have drawn a line 2mm down from the lip of the hull. And there's a piece of plasticard 'deck' in the bow. Does a second maybe plywood deck go over the plasticard? Which would make the top of the plywood level with the hull.
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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2013, 03:11:32 PM »

The hull looks the buisness, very nice.

Can you explain something to me as I've not built a deans kit. You have drawn a line 2mm down from the lip of the hull. And there's a piece of plasticard 'deck' in the bow. Does a second maybe plywood deck go over the plasticard? Which would make the top of the plywood level with the hull.
yes it does . but the deck plasticard has to be in line with the 2mm line
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« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2013, 03:21:11 PM »

ok i have one question tho. abit of a big one for me .
regarding balancing your boat on sea trails. i was confused on how much to balance the hull down. is it to the water line ??? i havent balanced a boat before.
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« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2013, 03:23:39 PM »

Good Day Ben

I've spoken to Brian, he's going to bring his Cossack to our next sailing day, Sunday. I'll get as many pictures as I can.
This is my Tribal, HMAS Arunta (1/72). She was doing her first sea trials.
good day thunder greetings from the island that always rains.
the boat looks brilliant in that water. i so want to move down under.
i look forward to the photos of your boat an your friends boat
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2013, 05:47:56 PM »

You will need a test tank (domestic bath) to ballast your boat, I use sheet lead as it is easy to shape around the bottom of the hull and keeps the centre of gravity low. bring it down to the waterline, then subtract the weight of motors, radio gear, batteries, fittings etc. Alternatively, place electrics in a plastic bag to avoid them getting wet, use lead to ballast down to the waterline. final trimming can be done when the model nears completion. :-)) :-)) :-))
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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2013, 08:39:23 PM »

ok i have one question tho. abit of a big one for me .
regarding balancing your boat on sea trails. i was confused on how much to balance the hull down. is it to the water line ??? i havent balanced a boat before.

Yes, the waterline or LWL is or should be on the plan. Just transfer the measurment across and weight the hull down with balast until it's on that line.
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« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2013, 12:00:22 AM »

Brilliant ill start that in fhe morning . Ive got a full days building ahead of me
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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2013, 09:54:45 AM »

Hi Dan
 
If you want authentic props contact the prop shop they are very helpful and there props are great and they will deff the right props for a tribal
http://www.prop-shop.co.uk/index.php?section=home
 
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« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2013, 02:46:34 PM »

Cheers glen ill have a look
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« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2013, 12:22:05 AM »

 well what a fun day its been building the dam boat had to give up as nearly flung it down the garden.
started to put in the the rudder an realised there was a crack in the rudder an the metal rod was on the pee . so thrown it in the bin after taking measurements . also thrown in the bin the prop shaft up rights that hold the prop shaft on the outside. so another peice in the bin after the tiny little pins off them broken. so making some new ones with brass ones.also going to throw the casr metal ones in the bin an get some brass ones. i also wired up the motors an speed controller came through today. so all good fun. i hate throwing things away. but i want this model right an with better looking stuff . so im looking over the net for 1/96 aa gun sets.
anyways here are some pictures i know its not much .

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an there is the update a fresh start in the morning
 
 
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« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2013, 07:56:06 AM »

Hi Dan
 
I'm following this build very closely as I'll be building a scratch built tribal in 1/128 scale. The guy you want for the AA guns is John Haynes. His fitting are brilliant I have used them the quality is the best.
 
https://www.johnrhaynes.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=890
 
https://www.johnrhaynes.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=91
 
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