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BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« on: April 28, 2013, 05:38:38 am »

HI
what would be the preferd glue for fixing the frames to the hull on the amsterdam ?


 i have super glue
5 min araldite
and urethane marine sikaflex
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and balsa cement
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2013, 07:24:25 am »

Hi bob,we have a shop over here called poundland(£1)the glue i use is glu & fix all purpose(clear) extra strong made by "bostick",they also sell 5 min epoxy still only a £1
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2013, 08:09:45 am »

Fibre class carbody filler  :-)) rough up the area first with a file or coarse grit sandpaper tack frame in place with superglue mix the bodyfiller then aply some superglue around the frame then aply the filler sets like concrete plus helps with ballest weight
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2013, 12:16:10 pm »

True, bodyfiller is awesome as a filling glue, I also use it for motor mounts but it's got to be reasonably good stuff, some brands down here are awfull.
If you already have superglue and araldite then as mentioned scuff the area thoroughly with some sandpaper till theres no shine left on the plastic, then tack the frames in place with your superglue then reinforce with a bead of araldite.
 
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2013, 12:20:36 pm »

By the way Sikaflex is the most amazing adhesive known to man but a bit of overkill for a model, One of the fishing trawlers I fitted out allowed no physical fasteners so the whole galley kitchen and wheelhouse cabinetry was held in with nothing more than Sikaflex.
 
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2013, 12:51:03 pm »

ok guys thanks for the info
 yer sika is totaling amazing stuff we use it instead of welding 2mm sheet metal to 
i have pinned it all with SG (but it doesn't like flexing or a sharp jolt ) so ill just run a bead of sika round it now
cheers Bob
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 05:39:08 pm »

Hello,
 
Which Sika Flex? there seems to be many of them (Sika Flex 222UV, 227 etc.), are you talking about the one labeled Sika Flex Construction Sealant ?
 
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 01:24:46 am »

the marine sika  291 $$$$$$$$$$
yes there a lot of them on the market now
i dont know how the construction stuff would go probably ok
make sure you freeze the remainder after you open the tube it goes off even in the fridge




http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SIKAFLEX-291i-MARINE-ADHESIVE-SEALANT-300ML-Colour-BROWN-/280949230567?clk_rvr_id=474786415407
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 09:49:54 am »

im trying the water based  Construction Sealant  over night to see how good it is ( bit of 3 ply on to  some plasticard )
[/size]its very cheap $3 a tube  and easy to work with
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 12:46:50 am »

the water based construction sealant is a FAIL on the plastic card holds very well on the timber but just peels off the plastic even when sanded
needs something to MELT into the plastic ??
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 12:28:55 pm »

There is a glue that Graupner have long recommended for building their "plastic" hulled kits
It is called Stabilit Express. It is a two part product, a powder and a resin which are mixed in proportion.While it is quite expensive, it sticks virtually anything to ABS or similar "slippy" plastic hull materials. I have used it on two such kits with great sucess. It is super for any areas where any stress occurs. Slightly roughing the plastic before application makes it an even better joint
 
http://www.haasaustralia.com/pattex-power-stabilit-express-resin-henkel-ag-co-kgaa-pse6n-26-gram-metal-squeeze-tube-pattex-power-stabilit-express-hardner-white-mixing-powder-henkel-ag-co-kgaa-pse6n-4-gram-plastic-jar-mixing-spatulas-and-mixing-block-for-pattex-power-stabilit-express-/
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 10:12:26 pm »

wow it not cheap that's for sure
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 11:40:08 pm »

If it's any help to you I glued the frames into my Amsterdam hull using 5 minute Araldite, way back in 2003, and it's still going strong O0  Just be sure to roughen the areas where the frames will be glued.


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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2013, 01:08:25 am »

hi mate
i have done the frames with sikaflex urethane adhesive  was wondering what else  works  on ( holding the deck s on )
i found 5min araldite is no good on plasticard even if  ruffed up it just peels off
ABS must be different ??
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2013, 07:16:57 am »

OK HERE IS THE UPDATE
after i tested all 4 products on the inside 0f the hull after sanding and wiping with epoxy thinner

on ABS sicka marine , sicka construction (water based)  adhesives sticks like s#$^#@it to a blanket , so does 5min araldite and car bog
so ABS is way different to the plastic card ( folder covers ) i was trying to use as a test
epoxy thinner melts ABS to


is the stuff you guys call plasticard  ABS sheets ?? or just 1xmm plastic folder book covers ??
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2013, 07:29:30 am »

The folder covers you refer to are a different type of plastic altogether, and are very difficult to glue - as you have discovered. I don't know the proper name for the particular plastic they are made from, but I'm sure someone else will.


Plasticard is a brand name for a type of styrene sheet marketed by Slaters (I think). I bought the styrene sheet I use from a supplier in Ballina who gets it from a manufacturer in Brisbane. It comes in sheets 2.4m by 1.2m in different thicknesses - I have used 1.5mm and 2mm - and is surprisingly cheap; I bought a half sheet of each thickness and they only cost me about $30 altogether.


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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2013, 07:39:35 am »

thanks peter
ill have to try the local styrene retailer and see if they have any  in black
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Re: BEST GLUE FOR AMSTERDAM HULL???
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 09:01:33 am »

 
If you have one locally/nearby, try a sign maker who makes 'plastic' signs, generally you can get off cuts for next to nothing, they also use clear perspex. O0 O0
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