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Malcf's Lloydsman build
« on: May 23, 2013, 07:41:08 PM »

Hi %) i am Malc from Oldham,

I have just returned to modelling after about a 9 year break, i have previously built 2 boats from plans an RAF rescue boat and a trawler and numerous model aircraft.
I have just ordered the Lloydsman hull and plans set off Kingston Mouldings and eagerly await delivery,I have a reasonable workshop with a homebuilt cnc router and minilathe which i hope to utilise in the build,I will be posting some questions after perusing the plans and look forward to your help. :-))

Also do i have to do this verification every time i post? i hope not %%

http://www.kingstonmouldings.co.uk/pdlloydsman.htm

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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 07:59:50 PM »

Hi malc , welcome im a newbie too! :embarrassed:
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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 08:03:01 PM »

 {-) Welcome to the fun house and yes you do for about six posts,happy modelling,Ray.
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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 08:25:03 PM »




 Hi and welcome Malc
 
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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 10:52:55 PM »

I'll add my welcome as well Malc, (WELCOME TO THE MAYHEM ! ! ! )
 
I know you'll enjoy the crack on here.
 
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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 10:56:21 PM »

Welcome verification ends after 10 posts just to check u are human ! 

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Thankyou
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 06:12:04 AM »

Thankyou everybody for the warm welcome,just waiting now to welcome the postman with my goodies :} .
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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2013, 09:01:08 PM »

Hello Malc,

I rebuilt a Lloydsman acquired from EBay this time last year, built on a Kingston Mouldings Hull. They sold me a set of plans which were helpful but as an average level builder they still left a few doubts as to quite what the occaisional square on the plans was. There are quite a few pictures available through Google but not many of models. Look at Solent Radio Control Model Boat Club website at www.srcmbc.org.uk where you will find two models, mine and Ray's (who I got some good info from). Happy to send you details of my motor/prop set up and electrics if it will be of any help. Don't get talked into too powerful a motor. A couple of suppliers that I talked to were thinking 48 inch Tug, which would normally be 12-13 inches wide. This is only 9 inches wide and more like a merchant ship hull than traditional Tug.

Best of luck
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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2013, 11:03:37 PM »

Hi John thanks for the info i already have a motor and wiper type speed controller that i was given a few years ago its a MFA marlin do you think that will be ok it has a quarter inch shaft on both ends.Any info on prop and motor fitting would be welcome.
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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2013, 11:25:34 PM »

John i have looked at the photos and the boats look very impressive,I am thinking about doing the 5 rudder setup as i have seen it done on another model tug using gears and toothed pulleys, not set in stone at the moment but an option i have 40 odd years of engineering experience to call upon if i decide to go that way,i wont be rushing the build.
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Re: Hi from Oldham
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2013, 10:10:46 PM »

Hi Malc,
Thanks for looking at the Solent Club website. I used a Mobile Marine Models T12 Motor and a two and a half inch four bladed prop. I do not know the motor you have, perhaps somebody else could advise on that. I tried a three inch prop but this produced an unrealistic performance and was difficult to manouvre at slow speeds, or even get a slow speed from it. The motor was fitted to the MMM mounting plate and then to an existing board on the bottom of the boat. I ended up with an extra short shaft and two couplings in order to fit the motor on the existing plate and get access through the aft hatch under the winch house. This was all necessary as I was working with a part completed model, a constraint you will not have. I would however suggest you position the motor below the aft winchouse in order to get easy access once the model is made.
 
My model weighs in at 11.5 Kg. I also fitted a Technobots sound system, actually designed by a Solent club member. I put a 4 inch speaker right at the front of the hull.
 
I'm sure that we should be able to set up an email link somehow through this website without revealing details to the world. Again perhaps a kind member could advise me which bit I haven't filled in to make this possible.  I know it's easy - I just haven't been told how to do it!
 
John
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Its arrived!
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 11:08:50 PM »

 %% Got my fibreglass Lloydsman hull today :} now i can start planning the build,my first job is the stand for it, i have seen some stands with rope attached to them to act as handles, are they used to  carry it to the pond side? or to lift it into the water, if the latter then i will need to give it a good coat of varnish. {:-{
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Re: Its arrived!
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2013, 12:15:08 AM »

Rope handles are usually incorporated onto the cradle to carry to the pondside.
 
Some people make strops from a variety of materials i.e. old timing belts, nylon rope etc...the strops are normally slid under the hull, 1 for'd and 1 aft, for lifting the vessel in or out of the water. Just make sure it's evenly balanced when you lift (I've seen them slide and take a dive - onto concrete...Ouch !)
 
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Re: Its arrived!
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2013, 12:29:03 AM »

I make slings out of nylon rope with a section covered in self-amalgamating rubber tape to provide a non-slip finish for the hull. This stuff is available from places like Screwfix/Toolstation for much less than certain other places and IMHO is second only to the humble cable tie in terms of usefulness.
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Re: Its arrived!
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2013, 06:01:31 AM »

Thanks for clearing that up for me, one problem solved many more to go.
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Re: Its arrived!
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2013, 08:27:22 AM »

I have seen boats slip from various types of belts.
I use old timing belts to lift my boats, to avoid them slipping off
I have fitted an adjustable strap at the bottom of the loop
to keep the belts at a set width for size of the boat I am lifting.
That way the belts can,t slip, I hope {:-{

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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2013, 07:52:00 PM »

Here are a few pics of my attempts at making a korte nozzle:-
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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2013, 08:44:32 PM »

Here are a few more pics, the rudder mechanism has taken up quite a bit of time :-X  just hope it works ok, i have decided to use a 1/4 scale servo for the three rudders on the stern and a normal servo for the two forward ones which will only be used when reversing, the motor is a MFA Torpedo that i was given a few years ago i am hoping it will be ok without gearing it down it is coupled to a 12" m5 propshaft fitted with a 70 mm 4 blade plastic prop :embarrassed:  will probably change this for a brass item. O0
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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2013, 10:04:32 PM »

Come to think about it it is a Marlin so i may end up gearing it 2.1 >>:-( wont the speed controller slow it down to a scale speed?.
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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2013, 10:34:43 PM »

I think i will opt for the torpedo 800 and save the marlin for a later project O0  something like a fast patrol boat.
I am wondering what speed controller to go for, i could do with one that would cope with the marlin so as to save buying two :-)) .
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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2013, 12:14:19 PM »

I have searched the net and found an article which states the marlin revving to 5000 under no load and the author compared it to the torpedo 800 as very similar and talked about the torpedo 850 as revving to 9000 plus so it looks like i will stick with the marlin :-)) ,I very nearly ordered a 800 torpedo last night glad i didnt {-) .
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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2013, 12:28:34 PM »

Just found this label-
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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2013, 10:21:15 PM »

Just been looking at the plan and on the stern there are two gobbing bollards drawn in plan, can anyone describe them for me {:-{ i have no side elevation to them and also what are dolly bars i have done a search on the net and it only comes up with people spitting etc. :o
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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2013, 11:36:42 PM »

You can just see them on this pic:


http://leithbuiltships.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/lloydsman.html


The gobbing bollards are to attach a rope between to restrict the movement of the main towing wire.
For a "gog rope"


There are several types of "Dolly bars" where are they on your plan.


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Re: Malcf's Lloydsman build
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2013, 11:57:43 PM »

A little off thread Bob.....small world.....but that first image is of the steam ferry South Steyne crossing between North & South heads at the entrance to Sydney harbour.....
Her keel was laid at the yard of Henry Robb's in Leith on the 14 th October 1937 ....... Derek
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