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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #200 on: April 07, 2014, 09:12:23 AM »

Coming on nice. I have a question about the stern planking. I realise there were blast plates on the deck forwards but was not aware they were so extensive on the quarterdeck, or is there more planking to go?
 
What's this about a pre-dreadnought weekend at Wickstead?
 
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #201 on: April 07, 2014, 06:05:21 PM »

Looking very good Nick - How is the pre-dreadnought fleet review for Wicksteed progressing?


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Hi James


It's certainly coming along very well now I've got the repetitive process of port hole mass production out of the way! I've been following your build with interest too. looking good!  :-))


Coming on nice. I have a question about the stern planking. I realise there were blast plates on the deck forwards but was not aware they were so extensive on the quarterdeck, or is there more planking to go?
 
What's this about a pre-dreadnought weekend at Wickstead?
 
Cheers
 
Geoff


Hi Geoff


Thanks for the positive comments, the blast plates were bigger than I thought too. I've compared them on the NMM plans and the pictures I've seen in RA Burt's  British Battleships 1889-1904 book. There is a little bit of planking by the superstructure corners near the 6inch guns but other than that the rest is blast plate!
To answer both you and James...


At the Mayhem weekend at Wicksteed this year we are trying to gather as many battleships, armoured cruisers, protected cruisers, TBDs, gunboats,etc from the Victorian period to the early 20th Century on one lake. It would be nice to create our version of the Spithead Naval Reviews from the turn of the last century.


So far we have


HMS Prince George (pre dreadnought)
HMS Kent (armoured cruiser)
Askold (Russian protected cruiser)
Descartes ( French protected cruiser)
iJN Kasuga (Japanese armoured cruiser)
SMS Emden (German Protected Cruiser)
IJN Yoshino
IJN Mikasa (Japanese Predreadnought)
X2 Royal Navy TBDs
Possibly...
HMS Mars (pre dreadnought)
HMS Niobe (Armoured cruiser)
HMS Pelorus (protected cruiser)
HMS Hannibal (Predreadnought)
HMS Dreadnought (well we have to don't we!)


Hopefully other Mayhemers might bring their vessels too, I know BobK has a couple of early vessels too.


So bring along as many as possible the more the merrier! :-))
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #202 on: April 07, 2014, 06:24:58 PM »

Sounds good, what is the precise date as it may be an event I can make. I could bring Canopus (1899)and Lord Nelson (1908) both 1/96 scale. Canopus is in Victorian colours and LN is grey!
 
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #203 on: April 07, 2014, 06:38:51 PM »

It's May 24 and 25 (Saturday and Sunday) at Wicksteed Park as part of the Mayhem at Wicksteed 2014 show. It would be fantastic if you could bring Canopus and Lord Nelson. The British vessels are getting outnumbered if little Tony brings his Japanese Victorian fleet! :}
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #204 on: April 07, 2014, 09:02:24 PM »

This sounds wonderful! I will tryand  make sure to have ready HMS Ready for next year. I think a Victorian-WW1 fleet revue should be an annual event as the real event was a thing of majesty and as the real thing can never again happen a miniature one would be visually astounding.


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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #205 on: April 08, 2014, 08:37:20 PM »

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Glass-Magic-lantern-slide-HMS-MAJESTIC-C1890-BATTLESHIP-ROYAL-NAVY-IRONCLAD-/111321833914?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276#ht_294wt_889   I've used the micro function on my digital camera to take pics of just sections of slides like these, the resolution can be fantastic.. its like having an original negative..
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #206 on: April 08, 2014, 08:49:21 PM »

Thanks Tghsmith


I'll be looking into bidding on that slide and try what you've suggested, I love trying to see hidden detail in old photos. My parents have some old pictures of the village I grew up in from about 1919. I managed to enlarge the image with my scanner and what an amazing image of life from the turn of the last century came to life. The pictures of the local church were particularly clear.


Hi Ian


It would be fantastic to see you there with or without your destroyer, hopefully we get some brilliant pictures of the event this year and look forward to next year! :-))
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #207 on: April 08, 2014, 09:13:59 PM »

thats a buy it now auction.. no bidding but as they goe, that price is not bad.. I snagged some US ships of this era earlier this year, often times these were done by small companies that went bust and have images seen nowhere else.. 
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #208 on: April 08, 2014, 09:19:22 PM »

Thanks Tghsmith


Just noticed that too! :embarrassed:
Definitely something I will be attempting to buy tonight, just hope my internet signal is good enough! :-))
It doesn't like ebay sales very much keeps timing out.

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #209 on: April 08, 2014, 09:49:00 PM »

Good Luck! The Mayhem weekend is straight after my week down in Bognor with the rellies so it might work out well to get up there for the Sunday.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #210 on: April 09, 2014, 08:20:40 AM »

If there is any interest pictures of Canopus and Lord Nelson are on the Model Warships Underway site, gallery 30 I think.
 
I have put the Wicksteed date in my diary and hope nothing else conflicts. I'll need to get some new batteries for LN as she hasn't sailed in a while.
 
 
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #211 on: April 09, 2014, 11:12:23 PM »

I am planning to go to the Mayhem weekend and could bring HMS Caesar and a scout class Cruiser. Graham
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #212 on: April 10, 2014, 08:41:11 PM »

Hi Geoff, Graham


Looking forward to seeing you both there, can't wait to see the fleet on the model boat lake, I think this might the biggest get together of Victorian models warships to date.


This months Model Boats magazine has part one about late Victorian to 1914 Royal Navy warships in preparation for the centennial of WW1, should be worth a read.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #213 on: April 10, 2014, 09:44:59 PM »

Regarding your review at the Mayhem show. How do you plan to keep the ships in position, as if there is a medium to strong wind will it not be a challenge to keep station?

I ask out of curiosity, concern and a desire to see or hear about a phenominal event!

I had a look on the MWU site and could not see your babies in the Gallery section.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #214 on: April 10, 2014, 09:57:09 PM »

Ah that will be the challenge, usually there is smooth patch near the upper part of the lake in the shallower end of the lake or hopefully the weekend will be nice and relatively wind free. If all else fails we could sail around in a parade fashion one after the other possibly in some kind of battle line- battleships in the middle with the cruisers and TBDs guarding the flanks with Mats the bringer of war playing loudly! :}


Geoff, I too had a look on MWU and couldn't find them either, shame really I was looking forward for a sneak preview. %) %)
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #215 on: April 10, 2014, 10:07:54 PM »

If all the models were fitted with small eyelets and tied together with fine cord could they be held in place by a number of tugs fore and aft?

Like daisy chains! I appreciate that individual owners may not ant the loss of full control of their years of hard work so may be a formation cruise would be more practical.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #216 on: April 11, 2014, 08:19:54 AM »

Hmm, odd. I just Googled "Model Warships Underway" main page and went to the "Gallery" section number 29 - Geoff Dixon, and the pictures came up. You will like the one of Canopus firing her guns and Lord Nelson with my home made smoke generator (Details are on the same site "how to pages")
 
Hope this helps
 
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« Reply #217 on: April 11, 2014, 08:54:43 AM »

Surely the vessels have capstans etc and a suitable length of scale rope to a large weight for and aft for representive anchors, with sufficient slack for wash and waves etc, the rescue boat placing the anchors like they would a steering course.  {:-{ 
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #218 on: April 11, 2014, 04:28:57 PM »

Hi Geoff


Just found your pictures, think I was blinded by the words Canopus and Lord Nelson wasn't looking for Victorian vessels by Geoff Dixon :embarrassed:  Fantastic work though! A very good photo of Canopus firing her guns, looking into modifying my 'hoods' into working versions.


Hi Warspite


I think I'll give it a go this weekend with one my models just to see what kind of weight is required to keep station. :-))


A bit more work done this week, the port lower battery of 6inch guns has been temporarily fitted so I can make the casemate doors next week. The bollards and fairleads are being fitted permanently and deck edges are being made from 1mm thick 3mm wide plastic card.














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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #219 on: April 13, 2014, 05:19:19 PM »

She's coming on good.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #220 on: April 25, 2014, 01:53:00 PM »

 
I hope to be able to make the Wicksteed show but have a couple of questions:
 
1) If I can only make the one day which would be better Saturday or Sunday?
 
2) Are there camping facilities or does anyone know of a resonable hotel nearby?
 
3) Is there a detailed map which shows where to park and how to get to the boating pool?
 
 
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #221 on: April 25, 2014, 07:56:14 PM »

Hi Geoff


There are camping facilities in Wicksteed Park close to the model boat lake, visit www.wicksteedpark.co.uk to get info on booking a campsite. Failing that, I believe that there is Travel lodge at the next junction up from Wicksteed Park that some Mayhemers have used in the past.


On the Wicksteed Park MBC website www.wicksteedparkmbc.com there is a map showing how to get to the model boat lake, on the weekend there will be mayhem signs up guiding you to the parking area and the campsite.


As to which day is better, judging by the weather the Saturdays have always been proven to be better over the years but last year both days were very much action packed!
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #222 on: May 09, 2014, 08:19:19 PM »

Hi everyone


Final update for this evening for the past weeks work!


Whilst the hull was drying from its mass porthole gluing session last weekend I left the hull behind and built some of the internal superstructure buildings using the kits pre-printed plastic card.


The buildings are as follows: The big box is the funnel casing (minus the funnels!) whilst the T-shaped building is two different items, the smaller box is the generator room and the bigger is the main intake casing which is minus its massive cowl vents at the moment.
I have used the kit's etched brass details for the vent gratings and the resin water-tight doors are also from the kit's fittings.











I positioned the buildings into the GRP battery superstructure for a sense of scale- plus I wanted to see it place! :}








This afternoon I have filed down the GRP superstructure to its proper height as dictated by the moulded line, it now sits a lot more squat and menacing!


Finally some pictures of the new bilge keel made from wood filed to shape.








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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #223 on: May 11, 2014, 05:50:39 PM »

She's a beaut Nick. Seeing the superstructutre parts placed during construction does help explain the layout without the confusion of a plan with it's multiple layers of lines and lack of depth. Taa for that, I hope to refer to your thread one day.
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« Reply #224 on: May 13, 2014, 02:06:12 PM »

It looks like domestic issues may cut into my plans for a two day trip to Wicksteed so I will probably do the one day and my preference is for Saturday. I have been refitting Canopus - boiler test being carried out this week, hopefully all will be well, and have completed the gunnery upgrade so hopefully the guns will be able to fire! (Blanks of course). Also With Lord Nelson I have refurbished the smoke generator, purchased new batteries and in common with Canopus have been refurbishing the gunnery system.
 
I had forgotten how long it takes to refit a battleship even at 1/96 scale!
 
Hope to see you all there as a pre dreadnought float past would be very good!
 
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