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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #325 on: January 02, 2017, 07:38:15 PM »

Thanks Ian


I'm quite pleased of the result, I've still got to detail the blast ring with plastic strut strip to represent the individual plates. One thing I can recommend is trawling eBay for newspapers from 110 years ago especially ones from Navy and Army News and The Engineer. I've just found a brilliant stereoview picture of Prince George's quarter deck circa 1903.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #326 on: January 02, 2017, 07:48:44 PM »

Some close up photos of the quarter deck...
















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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #327 on: January 03, 2017, 10:21:56 PM »

I will definitly keep that newspaper tip in mind for Achilles Nick.

Are you putting the sun roofs on the turrets?
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #328 on: January 03, 2017, 10:48:56 PM »

Glad to be of service Ian




The sun roofs will be simulated by the laser printed plastic card supplied in the upgrade kit for the turrets from Ron Dean. Hopefully that'll be shown next weekend when I detail the turrets and turret rings.

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #329 on: January 03, 2017, 10:50:41 PM »

Top job Nick. I look forward to seeing that.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #330 on: January 04, 2017, 05:30:45 AM »

Hi Nick,
she/he is coming along splendid, nice to see you back on this build, and not side tracked on all the others that have pasted through your fingers..  :-))
will you have it finished / Ready for the yearly "come dancing gathering in Farcet"
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #331 on: January 04, 2017, 10:57:33 PM »

Hi Colin


That would be the plan, definitely will be going again this year especially since I won't be deployed at the time- well I better not be!!!


The experience of building Humber and Dreadnought after starting Prince George has given me the knowledge and confidence to complete her/him.
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« Reply #332 on: January 05, 2017, 06:29:06 AM »

Hi Nick
after our chat, back in 2014, and looking at Michael's photo's of his model, I would not have thought you needed any more confidence to complete this model.... but if those models helped you in your travels, then its all good practice...  ok2  ;)

I might have my new model finished by September, with a lot of wish full thinking..
I have just moved Home, in the last couple of months, and there is still a lot to repair and modify on the house, plus my dockyard needs to be set up..

keep up the good work... and you know were I am if needed..  :-))
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #333 on: January 05, 2017, 08:37:05 PM »

Thanks Colin
I think i needed to confirm for myself as I almost messed up the paint work but managed to save it.
I want this model to be my flagship model and I didn't want to ruin her by rushing in experimenting with new methods. I've learnt a lot recently with brass and nickel silver railings which I passed on my knowledge to my Dad with his train ferry- I must thank you for introducing me to this finesse side of modelling which I didn't have two years ago in 1/96 scale.
I look forward to seeing your beautiful model again, she looked fantastic at Ron's open days. See you soon.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #334 on: January 05, 2017, 09:07:07 PM »

Hi Nick,

Apart from congrats on the build And Happy New Year, I noticed you mentioned trawling for copies of The Engineer. I presume you have looked into Graces Guide www.gracesguide.co.uk who have copies from as far back as 1856 on pdf?

Cheers

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #335 on: January 05, 2017, 09:24:02 PM »

Thanks Tony
I didn't know about Gracie's Guide, so many thanks, I'll do some digging :-))
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« Reply #336 on: January 05, 2017, 09:32:50 PM »

Wow, just looked into the link and what a gold mine of information, many many thanks Tony :-))
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #337 on: January 06, 2017, 05:23:53 AM »

Hi Nick,
i am not to sure which one of my models is my Flagship, but i guess by rights, that the one i am building at present should be my flagship..  ;)
but i guess my HMS inflexible when it comes to time taken building.. and modelling skills involved..
so i can understand your passion for a flagship..
and your most welcome..

looking forward to the yearly gathering at Ron's  :-))
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #338 on: January 08, 2017, 08:03:14 PM »


Hi everyone


As previous mentioned I was going to concentrate this weekend on the gun barbettes/turrets/hood. I have used the fantastic new upgrade kit available from Dean's Marine as added extra for the Magnificent/Hannibal kits. It completely replaces the vac form hood with a corrected shape GRP version with white metal fittings for the sighting/escape hatches, 3pdr gun, and turn-buckles for attaching the hood to the barbette base. A laser printed roof hatch is also included. I replaced the 3pdr with a 3D printed item from Shapeways, the steps were added from the railway modelling fraternity and as seen previously my Grandfather had made some replacement aluminium gun barrels.
Essentially the only few things left are to paint the black strip around the turret roof, add two poles behind the barrel, and attach the turn-buckles to the turret. I painted the turret barbette black as indicated in the many pictures of HMS Prince George from 1896-1903, and medium sea grey for the barbette "floor" and white for the rest of the gun turret/hood.











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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #339 on: January 08, 2017, 09:14:52 PM »

Hi Nick......have sent a PM about the BL 12" MK VII gun Mounts .......... Derek

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #340 on: January 08, 2017, 09:32:17 PM »

Hi Derek


Reply sent. :-))
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« Reply #341 on: January 08, 2017, 10:29:11 PM »

Have to agree Nick....those BL 12" MK VII gun Mounts would look superb with Crested Tampions installed....

May be of interest, these vessels [and to current day] actually had/have two sets of tampoins.........one set for 'at sea'' and a second 'crested set' when in shore, on station at anchor or on parade. The only time they were removed was prior to firing, be it exercise or in a war conflict

The last thing the Commodore or Admiral would want is sea water in the barrel rifling or worse still  >>:-( rusting up the breech blocks..............

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #342 on: January 08, 2017, 10:32:13 PM »

Hi Derek


Thanks for the info, I think I'll try making two sets and see which looks better- essentially depends on how good I can make crested tampions in 1/96 scale! We'll see! :-))
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« Reply #343 on: January 08, 2017, 10:59:01 PM »

Sculpt one of each and I will cast some for you Nick.
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« Reply #344 on: January 08, 2017, 11:01:38 PM »

Thanks Ian- thats very decent of you.
I'll have a go this week at some crested tampions. ok2
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« Reply #345 on: January 09, 2017, 01:30:36 AM »

Nick...just from the outfield :o......what diameter tampions are needed?................e-bay have a huge variety and differing sizes of anchor buttons

Cheap as chips....could be highlighted or dulled down

I have no idea if British Capital ships had actual ships crests tampions .....or just the image of the anchor for the plug.......BB63 certainly had the latter when in Sydney in 1986...............

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« Reply #346 on: January 09, 2017, 03:39:52 AM »

Nick......here a few Crests for HMS George V examples from Google....the latter appears to be King George V himself on board the HMS Queen Elizabeth with a tampion image I believe to be Queen Victoria?.......... or would it be an image of a younger Queen Elizabeth?

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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #347 on: January 09, 2017, 09:06:21 AM »

Thanks Derek


I've just been reading up on the subject and each ship had their crest on their gun barrel tampions but in 1917 it all changed to become one standard type with no crest. Prince George was built/completed in 1895 so would have the crested tampions.
The ship was actually named after King George V when he was just Prince George so without seeing the official ship's crest it would be hard to even make a guess as to its appearance.
I've opened another thread in Warships R&D on the subject.
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Re: HMS Hannibal-Majestic class Pre-dreadnought
« Reply #348 on: January 16, 2017, 10:20:25 PM »


Hi everyone


Here are the results of the weekend's modelling on Prince George's quarterdeck. Plastic strut was sprayed first with Humbrol Matt 106 and was glued with clear card glue- this created the blast plates. I've made a couple of companionway hatches and added the most fragile thing I've made for Prince George! The riding bitts were modified as per the steroview card I bought off eBay. The picture is in RA Burt's book British Battleships 1889-1904 but as been mislabelled as a sister ship Victorious. I've repainted the skylights black as it seems that a Prince George's distinguishing feature is black hatches, stripes, and other fittings.
















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« Reply #349 on: January 16, 2017, 10:36:04 PM »

Oh boy ! that's really nice work there Nick. :-))

The picture is in RA Burt's book British Battleships 1889-1904 but as been mislabelled as a sister ship Victorious.

While trawling around trying to find a ship's crest for you, I'm sure I read that, following a spell in the yards, Prince George was renamed Victorious and then reverted to Prince George again later.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'll see if I can find the article again.

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