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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #175 on: January 30, 2014, 09:20:50 PM »

Hi Neil
Can the main pulley be turned over to give you that bit extgra height?  Or, is it fastened to the brass insert?  I have just had a look to see if I could find an enlarged diagram of the makeup of these things and I didnt realise you were redesigning £150 approx. of stuff. yeeee gads my man :-)
 
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #176 on: January 30, 2014, 09:30:37 PM »

no John........it's quite a complex bit of engineering from what I can see, and all moulded into the being of the machine......have just emailed America, where the parent company lives asking for help with longer ones, and explained what they were for.............so hopefully if they can supply that will be the easy option. neil.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #177 on: January 31, 2014, 01:11:27 PM »

Pity, that during design, with a bit of forethought, the pulley could have been molded at the top of the central boss and the now underhung motor would have been clear of the hull. The highest point would still have been the operating gear, and yes, I know Neil has replaced the motor, but so have the new manufacturers but it still suffers from the same problem.
 
   It is possible to mod the existing but would require a lathe.
 
 
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« Reply #178 on: January 31, 2014, 02:29:09 PM »

It is possible to mod the existing but would require a lathe.
 Regards   Ian.

beyond my capabilities Ian..much easier to find a new belt.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #179 on: January 31, 2014, 06:20:27 PM »

Neil try SHG for longer belts
 
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #180 on: January 31, 2014, 08:14:30 PM »

Been on the phone this afternoon to Denver Colorado, and to the manufacturing company Gates..the very very helpful guy called Tony in their Technical sales told me of all the replacement belts for that series, including pitch and size of teeth and gave me the European sales managers phone no. and email address for him. Emailed him with all my requirements but realised that with time diffs in the Netherlands where he is based, even if he was in his office was around 16.00 hours so might have to wait until next week for a reply........but Tony in Denver told me that they make the belts in increments up to 800mm long, so am on the right track with that. thanks stav.........but they are just such a specialist belt that I thought I may as well go to the top of the tree first instead of starting off on the lower branches.

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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #181 on: January 31, 2014, 08:25:17 PM »

Hi Neil long time no chat. I hope things are good with you, I just struggle along as best I can, I have just changed doctors & am seeing some improvement already.I have been following your build & must say it looks very good. On that note if you send me a drawing of what you need made with all the dimensions I will give it a shot at making it for you, I have got much better at using the lathe & milling machine. Don't forget the offer of a holiday is there for you any time you & the girls want to take it. If you send me your phone # I will give you a call & we can have a chat(my nickle). Cheers for now, Mick.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #182 on: January 31, 2014, 08:32:02 PM »

Skype and dropbox are your friends.
 
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #183 on: January 31, 2014, 09:06:16 PM »

hi neil  here is a couple of photos of the new brushless voith units from bauer ''germany''  as you can see there a lot smaller than the 500e/600 motor   hope you find your belt! regards ray
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #184 on: January 31, 2014, 09:39:53 PM »

hi neil  here is a couple of photos of the new brushless voith units from bauer ''germany''  as you can see there a lot smaller than the 500e/600 motor   hope you find your belt! regards ray

they are very neat Ray , but sadly still wouldn't rectify the problem that I have with inverting the motor to fit under the deck..........think the longer belts are the only thing that are going to help me sadly, but thanks for the info and help, from you all out there............I really appreciate all help...........will just have to wait for this gent mr Deboeck to get back to me.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #185 on: January 31, 2014, 09:42:52 PM »

Hi Neil long time no chat. I hope things are good with you, I just struggle along as best I can, I have just changed doctors & am seeing some improvement already.I have been following your build & must say it looks very good. On that note if you send me a drawing of what you need made with all the dimensions I will give it a shot at making it for you, I have got much better at using the lathe & milling machine. Don't forget the offer of a holiday is there for you any time you & the girls want to take it. If you send me your phone # I will give you a call & we can have a chat(my nickle). Cheers for now, Mick.

great to hear from you Mick.........it costs me nowt to call you.....all international calls are free with my package so send me your phone no. and I'll ring you later tomorrow.......it's my daughters birthday tomozz so will be tied up most of day but will phone evening our time if you around.....

tell you the truth, I don't think I need anything making though so long as I can get hold of the longer belts, that I now know are manufactured. cheers, neil.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #186 on: January 31, 2014, 11:31:05 PM »

Hi Neil

Have dropped you an email. Just spotted your post.

Many Happy Returns to the Birthday girl for her big day tomorrow! Hope you have a great day and indulge in lots of Birthday cake!  :-)) :-)) :-))

Very best wishes to you all.  O0

Regards

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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #187 on: February 01, 2014, 12:02:04 AM »

thanks Andrew........will pass on your best wishes to her.
cheers, neil.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #188 on: February 01, 2014, 09:38:57 PM »

Well, I am known for telling my builds warts and all, and here's a great big wart..........a real cockup on a major scale...........but am not changing it  now as have gone too far.

but first, the progress......put my fillet of polyester filler under the side support beams to give water tight integrity and support for the decks on a colossal scale......they won't budge without help from a nuke..........and here goes the problem..........I knew that there is quite a camber on the deck cross sectional wise, but in my haste to press on for my daughter who wants to take it, at least partially finished up to Scotland on our holidays this august, I have made the big mistake of not reading the plans properly, and have put the position of the side longitudinal supports at the height of the top of the camber.....6mm too high........it will make a little difference to the general look of the model, but to take it all out would mean a total rebuild and am not going to do that...............so am going to leave the main car deck without a camber, and trust to hope that fellow modellers can live with it, as I and my daughter can.......but I haven't told her anyway. to put a camber beam on top of the existing beams would change the whole aesthetic look  of the model with spaces between the car deck  boat deck and bridge top all totally wrong.......

I also cut out the areas which are going to be made into flush hatches for access to the boat's internals and started adding the parts needed to make those flush decks water tight.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #189 on: February 01, 2014, 11:09:36 PM »

Hullo Ray......I searched the WEB for ...."brushless voith units from bauer 'germany'' ...however a ZERO result  >>:-(............... just whenever convenient could you please post a link to the Bauer location...............Derek
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« Reply #190 on: February 02, 2014, 01:06:43 AM »

Hi Derek

Just spotted your post. Link to the page requested below.

 http://www.bauer-modelle.de/modules/wsShop/article.php?article_id=401275&location_id=152

Hope this helps. :-))

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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #191 on: February 02, 2014, 01:33:26 AM »

Thanks Andrew........when I translate the paragraphs........[the whole page freezes in translate]  >>:-( .....there are many references to Bauer having access to the original Graupner design & documentation etc....which would be reassuring for intending purchasers.....Derek
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #192 on: February 02, 2014, 01:54:32 AM »

Hi Derek

Yes, they seem to have acquired the plans and production rights. They have also teamed up with L&B who manufactured the units for Graupner in the first place. All very good news. :-))

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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #193 on: February 02, 2014, 03:09:10 AM »

 Hi Derek.
 page translation for ya  used google translation tool
 url for tool if you want...https://translate.google.co.uk/
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Voith Schneider Propeller with BL motor. The VSP was revised at Bauer models. - Newly developed, tailored to the performance of the VSP brushless motor. 2Stück 2RS bearing (stainless).
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Voith Schneider propellers with brushless motor
• The injection molds of Graupner VSP 2358 were taken over by the manufacturer L & B through us.
• Furthermore, all remaining VSP's were taken.
• Since we have all manufacturing documents and material lists, the VSP's will continue to be built in high quality.
• The packaging has been changed
• The Voith Schneider propeller can only be obtained from us.
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   The VSP was revised at Bauer models.
  It is a newly developed, tailored to the performance of the VSP brushless motor used.
  There new 2RS bearing (stainless) are used. The bearings are sealed for.
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scope of delivery:
- 1 Voith Schneider drive with brushless motor
 - 1 Einklebering
  - 6 stainless steel screws
  - 2 aluminum ball joints
  - 2 threaded rods
  - 2 clevises
  - Sealant
  - Instructions in German
  The item is in stock   The drive is also available as a complete set with controllerspare Parts
- wings
- Retaining Rings - Timing belt
description

Scale model wing propeller drive for driving and controlling of ship models.
◦ The change in speed is at a constant engine speed, only by changing the angle of attack of the wings.
◦ Due to the thrust control the direction of travel can be changed through 360 ° at constant motor rotation direction.
◦ the generation of thrust and the thrust direction change is made solely by the adjustment of the propeller blades.
◦ It is necessary for the engine only a pure forward speed control. ◦ All features correspond to the model-VSP
uptime
The results in us operating time of the VSPs and the servos are at present about 500 hours without failure or inaccuracy in the provision. We found no signs of wear at controls of the disassembled VSP's.
We use the ring limiter of Graupner HoTT mc-systems.
lubrication
this material is water lubricated. Do not use lubricant on the plastics.
With our VSP's the space between the bearings with lithium-soap-based grease is sealed.
It is water safe and smooth running and is not dissolved by water.
Only use lithium grease lubrication possibly. Do not use mineral oil or silicone lubricants. This leads to the destruction of the plastic.
The speed of the VSP measured at the impeller should be about 650-700U/min. Make your remote control the engine speed to max. To 9000 rpm. Avoid prolonged dry running!
Specifications:
Drive motor: G-Power 281575
Operating voltage VSP: 12V (6-12 V)
Number of blades: 5 pcs
Wing length: 50 mm
Wing Circle Ø: 65 mm
Overall height (m. engine): 130 mm
Einbbauhöhe in the fuselage Einklebering: 80 mm
Required opening in hull: 84 mm
Weight (m. motor) (with Einklebering): 355g
A current at idle: 0.44 A
A current at full load: 1.01 A
Recommended controller VSP CONTROL.  The drive is also available as a complete set with controller
 
If you have problems in setting your VSP in the model or other problems with the VSP's have you may contact Bauer models
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 We have used in our Velox / TENAX test models, the low-cost Servo DES 657 BB, Graupner Best.Nr 7935. As with every revolution, the leaves are continually adjusted and the servo is thus constantly in the thrust and traction, please only use higher quality ball-bearing servos with carbonite or metal gears.
The VSP is a energieegffizienter, robust low-speed. To achieve the lowest possible noise, a toothed belt is used for the translation.
  For easy installation in the model, the supplied mounting ring is glued in the hull, in this can the VSP tighten slightly. Due to the positioning of the main shaft in two 2RS ball bearings, the VSP is largely waterproof. All other highly stressed parts are made ​​of metal or high quality stock plastics. Thus, in the corresponding maintenance for a long service life. The wings can be exchanged at a possible damage.
 For controlling 2 servos are required.
 The control lever is pivoted by two attached metal ball heads M2, which are screwed to the control lever.
 
 
 

 
 

 
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #194 on: February 02, 2014, 09:57:37 AM »

Neil,
Would an MFA 90 degree gearbox help?


http://www.mfacomodrills.com/gearboxes/bevel_gearbox.html


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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #195 on: February 02, 2014, 01:53:06 PM »

that certainly looks an interesting bit of kit Bob.............just depends on the output shaft diameter, as to whether the sprocket on the motor supplied would fit onto it. cheers, neil.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #196 on: February 02, 2014, 09:29:37 PM »

Have asked Umi to post a photo she  included on the American forum that shows a stripped down unit, food for thought.
 
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« Reply #197 on: February 02, 2014, 09:31:56 PM »

argghhh........frightening.............don't wanna look. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #198 on: February 02, 2014, 09:38:22 PM »

been wondering how to do the main cabin area for a while, and so took the plung to fabricate it in wood in rough form so that I could play around with it for ideas..........have decided I an going to mould it in GRP which will hopefully be the easiest way of constructing the  superstructure. I fabricated it from obeche and ply.

I also added more to the hatch structure.
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Re: JUPITER, A Caledonian MacBrayne Ferry....My new project.
« Reply #199 on: February 02, 2014, 10:13:15 PM »

Hello
i have been watching this build from the start. i real like the way you have shown a step by step process on making and molding a hull. You have answer a lot of questions I had on the molding process. You build is looking great.

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