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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2013, 09:20:34 PM »

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When you get the new sails can you register
the boat to get a sail no.?

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Have a look at www.dragonforce65.com re getting sail numbers and a lot of other info on this boat.....
 
Quote from that site:
Donít forget that you should register yourself with the RG65 Class Association who will issue you with a personal number. Email the registrar at registrar@rg65.org.uk, he is very helpful!
 
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2013, 08:57:25 AM »

Thanks for the info Mr P.   :-))

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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2013, 11:03:06 AM »






I really like my DF65.  Its a good little boat...but my next one will be bigger.  I\d fancy a hull about twice the length of the Dragon next I think.




David




That would be a Marblehead methinks  :-)) :-))


With the three rigs you can sail in any weather but transport and rigging
become issues unless you're the White Van Man  {-) {-)




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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2013, 11:43:08 AM »

Ned
Yeah I'd clocked that problem with marble heads.   I tried one ages ago but binned the idea because of transport.   Surely there's a way of making them 'take down'?

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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2013, 05:38:55 PM »

Swing rig is easier, but I think the Conventional
Rig sails better.

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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2013, 06:48:53 PM »

get an old Marblehead with short keel for pleasure sailing,not the fastest but still look good     tony
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2013, 06:50:09 PM »

Well, and looks a lot nicer


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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2013, 12:39:30 PM »

My Marblehead rig box is 7' long
The A rig mast is 6'8" long.
!6" Keel and she sits on her stand at 27" high.
With a length of 50" she needs a good sized car
for transport.
All the niggles of rigging are forgotten when she is sailing in a good breeze though.
If it starts to rain and all the guys with smaller yachts can run for the car, I am stood
de-rigging and muttering to myself!


Contacted Tony the RG65 Registrar and got myself the Sail No. 190.
I can now order my sails.


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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2013, 03:34:42 PM »

Just a correction to my last
The Registrar is Tom Brooke
not Tony  :embarrassed: :embarrassed:


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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2013, 03:40:48 PM »

All in all Ned I can see why IOM took off!
I would like a marble head though.
I guess theyre like model planes; the bigger ones just perform better

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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2013, 11:52:48 AM »

Just to put it into perspective.


Rigging my Marblehead at the lakeside.


This is the 'B' rig  :-)) :-))


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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2013, 02:49:46 PM »

That's a very elegant boat.   Must look good on the sea.
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2013, 09:40:32 PM »

Re larger boats:
I have an A class - hull is about 1800mm long, weighs 15Kg. Mast is about 2 metres long. Sounds big, and IS big when you need to transport it.
 
However, it fits in my smaller wagon (Subaru Forester) without too much issue and I can rig it pondside in five minutes even in a good wind. It is really just a matter of having the boat set up for easy rigging. A keel stepped mast makes it easier (but mine is not keel stepped)

Picture shows a similar boat near my car as a comparison - the boat fits in the car without any real drama
 
These big boats are exciting to sail in a blow!
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2013, 06:50:48 PM »

Very nice.  I just looked at A Class on you tube.   Quite impressive.

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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2014, 10:40:44 AM »

Hi
Another new Dragonforce 65 owner here. Was looking forward to getting out on the water with it this Wed night after doing the various normal mods but ran into snags with the mast. Somehow the small mast has vanished from the table where I was building the boat. Turned the house upside down, then I remembered thar SWMBO and the mother in law were in the same room the other day(spare bedroom come junk room) clearing out some stuff. Apparently they got rid of a load of old tent spares so I suspect that the mast got ditched with the old carbon look tent poles. :((
So not out on the water  yet
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2014, 04:28:32 PM »

A small problem I have just had with my DF.
The rudder servo packed up in the middle of the lake
I was lucky the rudder was midships when it failed
and I was able to sail her back to me as she is well balanced.
On strip down the smell of burnt electrics showed the problem.
The worrying thing was the ring of abs melt directly below the
servo.
There is very little clearance between servo and hull.
The fact the yacht was in the water cooled the hull enough
to stop a complete melt through.
Not heard of any other failures.


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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2014, 11:40:12 PM »

A small problem I have just had with my DF.
The rudder servo packed up in the middle of the lake
I was lucky the rudder was midships when it failed
and I was able to sail her back to me as she is well balanced.
On strip down the smell of burnt electrics showed the problem.
The worrying thing was the ring of abs melt directly below the
servo.
There is very little clearance between servo and hull.
The fact the yacht was in the water cooled the hull enough
to stop a complete melt through.
Not heard of any other failures.

Ned

Ned,

This has been a problem that has shown on a number of DFs with the original servo. In my local group of about 15 DFs we have had maybe 5 or 6 fail without warning.

The cause is still unclear, originally thought to be a lack of lubrication in the servo but this is not necessarily accurate. We also blamed battery types as well but it happens with all different types.

Personally, I am suspicious that a bit of back load from the rudder to the servo while sailing is somehow causing the metal gears to bind together and once the gears are locked, the output transistors on the circuit board overheat. This heat then melts the wires going to the motor and potentiometer, resulting in a short circuit, heat, smoke, smell etc.... I have only seen one that failed without the heat, melting etc...

I replaced mine with a Hextronic HXT900 and it is fine. Any servo that will fit in the opening in the tray is a legal replacement as far as the rules are concerned.


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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2014, 08:19:58 AM »

Thanks for that Mr P,
You have described the fault exactly as it happened to mine.
I have replaced mine with a Towerpro MG90S which works fine.
I posted my problem on the RG65 UK forum on the DF page
but no replys as yet.
Have any of the failed yachts noticed any kind of melting to the hull?
Thats what concerns me the most as a melt through would probably end in a sinking.


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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2014, 02:54:28 PM »

Thanks for that Mr P,
You have described the fault exactly as it happened to mine.
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Have any of the failed yachts noticed any kind of melting to the hull?
Thats what concerns me the most as a melt through would probably end in a sinking.
Ned

No significant hull damage has been mentioned but some of the failed servos got very hot and the servo case distorted significantly. I doubt it would hole the hull if the boat was in the water due to the cooling effect of the water, and they always seem to fail during sailing, never on the stand.
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2014, 05:30:25 PM »

My mast issues are now on coarse to be fixed. Got a mast kit for the 'c' class sail so I now just have to cut it to length. Anyone know the  length of the short mast on the rig supplied with the boat?
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2014, 02:44:45 AM »

My mast issues are now on coarse to be fixed. Got a mast kit for the 'c' class sail so I now just have to cut it to length. Anyone know the  length of the short mast on the rig supplied with the boat?

Not clear what you are after.... the boat is only supplied with an A rig.... I think you are perhaps looking for the length of the upper piece of the original A rig mast? I gather that was what you lost. The length of mine (actual upper tube length) is 202 mm on a standard A rig.


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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2014, 06:28:40 AM »

Thanks, that was exactly what I was after. Now fingeres crossed I can get the boat on the water this weekend :-)
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2014, 07:41:13 AM »

it does seem that whenever you post a problem of something failing on a dragon to certain website tthe issue is ignored , i tried leaving querries in january when my hull split around the keel box and still not received any aknowledgment , improvments in the quality of the product will only make the boat even better surley ?

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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2014, 08:19:35 AM »

it does seem that whenever you post a problem of something failing on a dragon to certain website tthe issue is ignored , i tried leaving querries in january when my hull split around the keel box and still not received any aknowledgment , improvments in the quality of the product will only make the boat even better surley ?

@triumphjon:
It may depend where you post it perhaps.
Also not sure whether you are referring to the designers or the distributors.

Re the designers - Mark Dicks (one of the three behind the product) is a regular or the Dragon Force thread in RCGroups...
I have also provided him some feedback on various matters on another forum (ShipShapeRC.com) that has been taken back to the manufacturers.

Re the distributors - I can only speak re Australia - I have had contact on a few occasions with Hobby Warehouse and they have been Ok.

I have also experienced the splits around the keel box, probably caused by rough handling on my part I think (travelling long distance in a vehicle, boat was in the back with lots of other gear).

It seems to have repaired Ok.
I used MEK (methyl ethyl ketone, a cleaning/primer fluid for plastic) and some light glass fibre, topped off with a bit of P glue (you will find these chemicals in the plastic plumbing section of your hardware store)
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Re: Dragon Force 65 newbuild completed
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2014, 12:34:04 PM »

Finally got mine on the water this morning for the first time. Very impressed with the handling. Still getting used to sailing into the wind but really glad I got one!
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