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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #150 on: June 19, 2014, 11:46:55 PM »


I like the Robbe motor gearbox but mine seemed very susceptible to corrosion..... {:-{
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #151 on: June 20, 2014, 12:40:26 AM »

Hi admin
You might want to try using corrosion x :-))
Good stuff
Looks like a regular oil
But this thing will bond to the suface
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #152 on: June 20, 2014, 04:31:13 PM »

Im thinking of using wood as a beam for the deck
Will it work out fine if ill use wood?
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #153 on: June 20, 2014, 05:15:56 PM »


Yes but thoroughly waterproof before fitting deck
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #154 on: June 20, 2014, 05:31:45 PM »

Hi admin

What can I use to waterproof a wood?
Im thinking of using resin epoxy coating the whole wood with it
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #155 on: June 20, 2014, 06:35:52 PM »


Nothing special, paint or even the epoxy glue you use it stick it on in the first place!  :-))

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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #156 on: June 20, 2014, 06:55:32 PM »

Awwrite

Ill get the correct measurements of those beams
Then coat the whole wood with my t88 resin epoxy
Dowel for the legs and glue it to the hull
And that should do it

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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #157 on: June 20, 2014, 08:09:18 PM »

Why are you going to use wood? The kit comes (well, should have) with plastic for the deck beams.
I'm not saying don't ever vary from the plans/instructions (I've gone way over t...h...e...r...e with mine) but you came a bit unstuck (sorry) with the korts not long ago, so I'm curious about this deviation.
"Dowel for the legs" ... what legs? Not that I have a problem with legs per se, but if you later find you've put one just where a motor or something wants to be you'll be a little bit  <:(  .


Talking of which, watch your deck beams at the stern - clearances to the steering gear are not generous (don't ask  :embarrassed: )

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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #158 on: June 20, 2014, 09:10:38 PM »

Hi plague

I dont want to use those beams that came with the kit
Cut it glue it
I think its not rigid enough for me
It will be the same size like the beams for the kits
But I want it to be more rigid
Youre right about the steering its tight in there
Im even thinking of using a wood for the decks instead hahah
Or maybe ill just plank that plastic deck with strips of wood
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #159 on: June 21, 2014, 01:26:28 AM »

Do I need capacitor on my robbe geared motors?
I called harbormodels and they said its not necessary
Should I leave it off or not
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #160 on: June 21, 2014, 09:17:00 AM »

Won't do any harm (as long as you do it right), so for the slight effort and cost of doing it now as against when the boat is complete I'd add them anyway.

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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #161 on: June 21, 2014, 06:09:27 PM »

Hi plague

That's exactly what im thinking
I dont want to put on the motors
Only to find out I need to take it out to fit capacitors in them

But incase I did put on those capacitors
And my motor doesn't need it
Will it hurts the motor?
That's what I would like to know
If the motor doesnt need capacitor and I still add it on
Will it make any difference on the motor
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #162 on: June 21, 2014, 11:44:28 PM »

But incase I did put on those capacitors
And my motor doesn't need it
Will it hurts the motor?
That's what I would like to know
If the motor doesnt need capacitor and I still add it on
Will it make any difference on the motor
No and no. Even if the motor has suppressor capacitors built inside it adding more externally won't hurt.
These are very small caps that only have an effect at very high (ie. radio) frequencies. The motor is DC, so you could put a handful on it and probably not notice any effect on the motor performance.

Just be careful soldering these, especially to the case, as if you cook them they can fail. I'm especially wary of those tiny bead jobs as I had one expire with significant light and smoke, I assume because I overheated it. I replaced the unfailed one on the other motor as well.
Use a heat sink.

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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #163 on: June 21, 2014, 11:55:14 PM »

Thanx plague
Ill work on that tonight if I have time
Heat shrink
For?
Is it for the capacitor that goes to pos and neg?

By the way
The robbe motor
It has a hmmm a sleave on the can? Or more like cap that goes around the motor can. And noticed it can slide up or down to cover the holes of the can
Do I keep that on or take it off

if I do keep it on
Can I solder the capacitor on that sleave or to the motor can it self
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #164 on: June 23, 2014, 07:38:18 PM »

Im really fired up with the beams
Im not happy with the plywood
Its heavy and still need to waterproof it

I found an old fiberglass ladder :-))
Darn good for a beam
Waterproof rigid and most of all light weight O0
Happy now that I got that sorted out
No more problems with beams

Now I need to order an esc
Someone suggested a p94 esc for the motors and p93 esc for the bow thruster
Man the only one that carry those esc is from uk and im from hawaii
the mail is going to be hella expensive
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #165 on: June 24, 2014, 09:25:31 AM »

Now I need to order an esc
Someone suggested a p94 esc for the motors and p93 esc for the bow thruster
Man the only one that carry those esc is from uk and im from hawaii
the mail is going to be hella expensive

Most of the mbm membership is UK based and there is a bit of a knee jerk reaction to recommend Action stuff as it is a UK make (the original designer builder is a member here). As you say, it might not be best for you, though I doubt Hawaii has many esc makers of its own, so there'll be a postage hit in there somewhere whatever you get.

There are several other makes but you need to make sure you get a marine one, not aircraft which are most common. You might get away with some car types but care is needed. Any reason not to go with a Harbor Models supply or recommendation?

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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #166 on: June 24, 2014, 09:58:04 AM »

Hi plague

I dont have any problem with harbormodels esc
My problem is that I have no clue which esc to use for my robbe geared motor
I dont want to order only to find out I ordered the wrong esc
So far the p9r and p93 esc was the only one suggested to me to get
I would consider going with marine esc if I knew which marine esc to get

I just need a single esc for both motors and esc for the bow thruster
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #167 on: June 24, 2014, 10:01:04 AM »

By the way I emailed action
Asking them how much would it be the total cost or p94 and p93 including shipping to hawaii
I know now a regular package takes a week to get here in hawaii
Model slipway send me a 4mm threaded coupler inserts for free
And a arm for my aziz
All for free
amazing company
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #168 on: June 24, 2014, 10:34:20 AM »

st....if you e-mailed ACTion direct  >>:-( ....you may have found DM & Liz cooking a BBQ for the grandchildren  O0

Could I suggest an e-mail to Component Shop........to confirm the material costs + freight  %)

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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #169 on: June 24, 2014, 06:25:46 PM »

Hi derek

Component shop?
I emailed that enquiries on ther website

I think model slipway saw my predicament with my coupler ordered from harbormodels
I ask harbormodels for coupler to connect the motor to the threaded driveshaft
But they sent me a drop. In coupler not the threaded coupler
jackie from model slipway  offered me a threaded coupler for free
Im so happy lots of people trying to help me with my aziz
First scale boat builder :-))
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #170 on: June 24, 2014, 09:10:04 PM »

You will be charged £79 for the P94 and £38 for the P93, less the UK VAT @ 1/6. That reduces the selling price to £97.50. Royal Mail's price for a package of that size and weight by International Signed For service is about £15 so your total price in £Sterling should be around £112.50. Component Shop may have a cheaper carrier but you won't pay any more than I have quoted.
Contact kyje at component-shop.co.uk (but substitute a @ for the "at") for confirmation.

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« Reply #171 on: June 24, 2014, 09:27:52 PM »

Hi inertia

I just recieved an email from action
Its going to cost me almost 200 dollars for the p94 and p93 including shipping

That's high for an esc
Compare to other esc's out there
But then everyone seems to be using this esc so it has to be a good esc
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #172 on: June 24, 2014, 09:52:09 PM »

It's actually two ESCs and a very clever mixer all in the one box - and there's the extra ESC in as much as the P93 reduces the voltage down from the main battery for your bow thruster. So your $200 is buying you three speed controllers and a mixer. Even the Chinese don't have a product which will do all that.
>3000 other customers can't all be wrong.  8)   And Hawaii is about as far as you can get from the UK without starting on the way back!
Just do it.
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Re: Aziz - Hawaii build
« Reply #173 on: June 24, 2014, 10:13:52 PM »

Hello
just to through a curve ball. I dont rate action at all. I am not saying they there not good but personally (had a few of there ese) i think there is better. I use Mtronics Viper marine . Since you live in Hawaii your nearest suppler may Hobby King. If I was you I would get my motor and props set up Then run them on a few different voltages noting performance and current pull then look at ESC. You might find your bow thruster can only run at 7.2vmax and your main drive runs best at 12v. once you have your test data you then can make a better judgment on ESC


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« Reply #174 on: June 24, 2014, 10:47:52 PM »

It's actually two ESCs and a very clever mixer all in the one box - and there's the extra ESC in as much as the P93 reduces the voltage down from the main battery for your bow thruster. So your $200 is buying you three speed controllers and a mixer. Even the Chinese don't have a product which will do all that.
>3000 other customers can't all be wrong.  8)   And Hawaii is about as far as you can get from the UK without starting on the way back!
Just do it.
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Youre right p94 is a two esc in one
Whic is less clutter in the hull
Thats what I like about the p94
I can either go single esc for two motors or one esc for each motor
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