Topic: 1970s Green Deck paint info needed (Read 13120 times)

hmsantrim · « **on:** October 20, 2013, 03:39:10 am »

Hello can anyone tell me the BS paint code for the 1970s Royal Navy deck green.

Cheers

rickles23 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2013, 09:03:15 am »

Hi,

Try:

http://www.shipcamouflage.com/3_7.htm

or

http://www.steelnavy.com/wem_colourcoats.htm

Regards

big_bri · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2013, 10:13:49 am »

Mid Brunswick green.....BS381 226

pugwash · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2013, 11:25:19 am »

Humbrol matt 88 green is what |I use on decks for that era

Geoff

mudway · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2013, 01:19:55 pm »

Years back I got given the painting history for Plymouth by a kind soul at Defence Standards.
Her deck green was BS4800 14C39 (no names for the BS4800 series). Phoenix paints do it in various sizes or you can simply go to a paint shop and get it mixed up. If we in Oz can get it mixed up at hardware shops and paint shops, in the UK you should have no problems at all. The anti slip treads from thta era were a bit lighter shade of green.
FYI, the Humbrol Deck Green is not like the RN's deck green, it is a lighter "less green" colour.

rickles23 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2013, 08:59:03 am »

Hi,

Found what I was looking for.

I use these in Photoshop.

Regards

mudway · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2013, 09:22:02 am »

That was WW2, the RN changed colours after that.
After dumping the green in 1978, they switched to BS381C 632 Dark Admiralty Grey or as an alternate BS381C 638 Dark Sea Grey. When decks were green, these two greys were the flight deck colours. If you look at a BS381C swatch, these colours are almost identical.
An alternate for 14C39 if it wasn't available was BS381C 226 Mid Brunswick Green which is not Humbrol's Deck Green. Unlike the greys which were formulated as anti slip paint, the greens were high gloss which made them dangerous when wet.

gingyer · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2013, 11:29:23 am »

Quote from: mudway on October 21, 2013, 09:22:02 am

An alternate for 14C39 if it wasn't available was BS381C 226 Mid Brunswick Green which is not Humbrol's Deck Green.

Medway I think you will find it was BS381C was the paint used...

The BS numbers are british standard numbers which mean they have to conform to set standards
BS4800 is paint used in the construction trade (houses offices etc)
BS386 is paint used in special locations with a letter code after to note what type of special location

Also big bri who I know well will be right in his paint colour as he had painted enough decks in his time in the navy (probably as a punishment

)

Plymouth possibly used the BS4800 paint whilst a museum ship as it's cheaper and easier to get your hands on than the BS381 paint

mudway · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2013, 11:53:33 am »

NO, it was BS4800 that was used and is still used. The green lino/floor covering inside the Type 45s is the old deck green colour.

BS4800 was designed for use in construction but a colour is a colour is a colour & can be used anywhere. I also got confrirmation of the colour from Leigh's who made the paint and the RNZN who also used this colour.

The history I got was from day one & came from Defence Standards in Glasgow who kept the painting records of all RN ships. He also explained that BS4800 & 5252 18B25 and BS2660 9-097 are the same as BS381C 632 Dark Admiralty Grey and that BS4800 & 5252 14C39 and BS2660 6-074 are the “near equivalent/practical equivalent” to BS381C 226 Mid Brunswick Green.
Extract from his email is below:

re-HMS Plymouth

The superstructure of the Rothesay Class Type 12 frigate (HMS Plymouth) at new build (1961) was Light Admiralty Grey to BS 381C and the decks were painted to BS 4800 colour 14C39 green.

Between 1966 and 1969, HMS Plymouth underwent a major conversion refit in conjunction with DG Ship specifications (these fall in our area now since 1st April). At the time of the repaint, the superstructure became Light Weatherwork Grey BS381C:676 (W&L Leigh Paint Co's number H766). and the decks stayed BS 4800 colour 14C39. Thus, these colours were the operational colours in 1975.

FYI, I have attached a defstan showing the usage of BS4800 in RN ships.

big_bri · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2013, 12:26:22 pm »

I was chippies mate on one of the ships I served on in the mid seventies ( Hms Salisbury) and can assure you it was BS381C 226 Mid Brunswick Green procured and used. So my recommendation is based purely on personal experience

And yes Ging, I have spread more than my fair share of that muck on the decks, but not as a punishment though, but just for the twisted amusement of the buffer I think

hmsantrim · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2013, 02:01:16 am »

So chap's which direction should I take the seamans code or down unders code. Or just both made!

mudway · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2013, 05:23:50 am »

If you read the guy from DefStan’s comment BS4800 & 5252 18B25 and BS2660 9-097 are the same as BS381C 632 Dark Admiralty Grey and that BS4800 & 5252 14C39 and BS2660 6-074 are the “near equivalent/practical equivalent” to BS381C 226 Mid Brunswick Green, we are both right. 226 can be used instead of 14C39 as can 18B25 be used instead of 632 etc. Somewhere on my PC I have some painting instructions issued by Chatham Dockyard on the repainting of HMS Minerva. As well as details of the colour & width of the flight deck markings etc., the instructions included those for the decks as to be 14C39 or if not available BS381C 226. Dammed if I can find it now but I have found the attached fragment of an NES regarding painting of Survey Vessels.

Down Under here is from Kent hence my user name. I’m a member of the Chatham Dockyard Historical Trust and used to come home every year for work and spend a week or so off visiting relatives and “rummaging” amongst the records held by the trust and out at the National Archives in Kew. There is a lot of uncatalogued info in Chatham but the Trust is more about the workings of the Dockyard than the RN.

Big Bri is in the right place for this as my contact in DefStan, Directorate of Standardization worked at Kentigern House in Glasgow.

I’ve got several sets of BS381C including the original 1930 edition and BS4800 standards. Looking at the two colours, 226 to the eye seems to be just a slightly darker version of 14C39.

BTW If you don’t want large quantities of paint, try Phoenix Paints. They are model railway specialists and can do BS381C & BS4800 colours in lustreless (flat!), low sheen or gloss in cans from the Humbrol size upwards. I used them until I discovered that my local paint shop could mix the colours up for me.
http://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/standard-colours/roundhouse-touch-up-colours.html

rickles23 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2013, 09:09:25 am »

Hi,
When in doubt go with the Chippies Mate.

He has practical experience.

There again I am not a rivet counter.

Regards

big_bri · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2013, 11:22:26 am »

You`ve received some very informed info Frank, so the choice is up to you matey, regardless of the choice, post up the results and let us all have a look see

john44 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2013, 12:31:34 pm »

Quote from: hmsantrim on October 22, 2013, 02:01:16 am

So chap's which direction should I take the seamans code or down unders code. Or just both made!

just mix the 2 together and you can,t go wrong,

only joking, but I would go with the chippy, you would use what was issued.

john

Circlip · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:07:58 pm »

But don't forget the "Scale Distance" correction factor. Caused quite a stir ( Bad pun) on toy aircraft scale judging. The original full size look a different shade with distance.

Regards Ian.

deadbeat · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2013, 02:45:22 pm »

Try White Ensign Models they do a good range od Admitalty enamel paints.

dodes · « **Reply #17 on:** November 06, 2013, 03:31:29 pm »

When I started in 1974 in the PAS, we used the same deck paint as warships, it was a awful paint to use and caused a lot of rust. The paint was none slip, olive green - the none slip part was grit mixed into the paint. But the cans had olive green none slip stamped on the side plus a store number and claw mark. The paint was trailed on or smeared, it used to wear out long tom brushes very quickly.

dodes · « **Reply #18 on:** November 06, 2013, 03:39:03 pm »

I joined the P A S in 1974, then we used the same deck paint as the RN, the tins were marked olive green none slip , plus the store number and claw mark.

Netleyned · « **Reply #19 on:** November 06, 2013, 04:34:00 pm »

That paint was used throughout my time in the RN
60's and 70's.
You needed a broom handle to stir it and get the grit/sand
mixed in.
I was basically daubed on as Dodes said.
Impossible to paint normally.

Just glad painting was not a Tiffies part of ship.
Even the Chippy had 'mates' to do it.

Ned

mudway · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2013, 08:46:44 am »

The colour used by the RN & RMAS etc. was different. The RMAS used BS381C 220 Olive Green.

dodes · « **Reply #21 on:** November 28, 2013, 12:33:54 pm »

Hi Mudway, when I joined the PAS at HMDyd Chatham in 1973, we used RN deck none skid paint. In those days matelots' painted their own ships and the basin sides by RN ships all had their own waste skips, by which empty paint cans were stowed, often half used or sometimes full cans were placed there as well for various reasons. Anyway as paint was sometimes times in short supply for the PAS we used to purloin these cans, that's how I know then that the paint was labelled Olive Green. When the RMAS came into being in 1976, the old deck paint was used up by the RMAS, as the RN had by now gone onto a different paint mix called Dado Green and soon introduced a two part mix paint for none slip on open decks. The reason was the old none slip with sand in it was found to cause heavy corrosion under it, as it was porous.

mudway · « **Reply #22 on:** November 28, 2013, 10:47:30 pm »

My cousin was PAS & then RMAS in Chatham from the late 1970s.

dodes · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2013, 08:53:52 pm »

One thing I do remember well was we probably had more frigates and destroyers laid up in the basins then than is now total in the RN.

McGherkin · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2013, 08:57:49 pm »

Needs touching up a bit but genuine ex-RN paint

Next time I'm onboard I'll have a look at the tins and what's written on them.

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